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Location: Nashvegas | Let me preface this with saying my colt can do lead changes all day off the barrels, very pretty changes, not simple but full lead changes that come from the hind leg first. He is loping a very nice pattern. Since I have started him and starting loping to reinforce the lead change, would break him down or really collect him up and ask for the change, right off the first. It would be a left to right change as he goes left first. Also, what is so disgusting with my athletic booger of colt is that he CAN turn a pretty barrel to the right on the WRONG lead. I thought well he'll figure it out if he does it wrong, not so much. *sigh* Does anybody have any insights/pointers on getting him to change while moving out, without the collecting him up or breaking him down? He is ready for more speed, ready to run. This is what he lacking to be entered. I am beyond frustrated, any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you! |
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Location: NE Texas | When i'm first starting to pattern a horse, as I am completing my turn on the first, I actually will have them overwork the first and take a full step (full body, not just head and shoulder) toward my third barrel. Picture picking up your outside rein leaving the first and using your outside leg to push their entire body over one step. I find that this encourages a horse to change leads there instead of waiting until right before the second barrel. I prefer to not have that lead change right before the second barrel if possible simply because I feel a horse tends to dump on the front end if they are changing just before the turn. That being said, I still have some that wait until that point, but I find this over finish at the first tends to encourage the lead change leaving the first barrel. Here is a video of my current colt when I first started loping him thorugh last summer and you can see him change right after the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MVuGpsQbE
Here are two different mares I had in last summer to start on the barrels for our BB, canchasr1. Both of these mares had about 30 days on the pattern when the video was taken. You can see both switch to their right lead directly after the first as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taGpMZqbhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZExPZG5gcc
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| I would always break my mare down to a stop about 1/3 of the way to the 2nd barrel. Make her stand for a second calmly, then ask for the next lead from a stop. Then I did simple lead changes, then she got the hint. Have you pushed him through the pattern? He will probably have to change leads in order to run it or he will just tip over. My mare can do flying lead changes all day, but again, you don't want to have to ask for it, you need him to naturally get it. So kind of ingrain it in his mind slowly so he knows that's what he's supposed to do when he gets to a certain point.
ETA: I agree w/ Herbie, this is EXACTLY what I do as well! Great advice b/c I didn't know how to explain it haha
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | Herbie - 2015-01-19 9:54 AM When i'm first starting to pattern a horse, as I am completing my turn on the first, I actually will have them overwork the first and take a full step (full body, not just head and shoulder) toward my third barrel. Picture picking up your outside rein leaving the first and using your outside leg to push their entire body over one step. I find that this encourages a horse to change leads there instead of waiting until right before the second barrel. I prefer to not have that lead change right before the second barrel if possible simply because I feel a horse tends to dump on the front end if they are changing just before the turn. That being said, I still have some that wait until that point, but I find this over finish at the first tends to encourage the lead change leaving the first barrel. Here is a video of my current colt when I first started loping him thorugh last summer and you can see him change right after the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MVuGpsQbE
Here are two different mares I had in last summer to start on the barrels for our BB, canchasr1. Both of these mares had about 30 days on the pattern when the video was taken. You can see both switch to their right lead directly after the first as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taGpMZqbhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZExPZG5gcc
This is what I do as well. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Â It seems like they are much more consistent when they're taught to change coming off of 1st. I think it's because it gives them a marker or a specific place to change every time. There's no question where to change. They know exactly where to change. Asking them to change halfway through isn't real specific and leaves too much room for them to make the decision late. And one that's athletic will make it late because they can make it around on the wrong lead. |
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| If they naturally do not start to change leads on their own and they do not have a lameness issue hindering them from doing so, then they find a new home because they are not going to be something I want to keep pursuing.
This is a business to me and I don't have time to keep hammering on one that is going to take an extra year or two. Not saying they cannot be a nice horse but for me if one doesn't have the "want to" and starts picking up the lead changes on their own after they well patterned then they go up for sale. Once patterned they should be trying to turn a barrel for you.
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Location: North Dakota | I have always been one to try to set one up correctly and eventually to self protect they will figure out how to change on their own. BUT, I took my current trainee to a Jerri Mann clinic and she emphasizes the transition about a stride from the first....every, single, trip around the first you stop and transition and let me tell you it takes a while but my horse now, NEVER misses a lead, so IMO it works to consistantly break down and transition. (with my horse it was literally a 2 day clinic) and he had it. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Herbie - 2015-01-19 10:54 AM
When i'm first starting to pattern a horse, as I am completing my turn on the first, I actually will have them overwork the first and take a full step (full body, not just head and shoulder) toward my third barrel. Picture picking up your outside rein leaving the first and using your outside leg to push their entire body over one step.  I find that this encourages a horse to change leads there instead of waiting until right before the second barrel. I prefer to not have that lead change right before the second barrel if possible simply because I feel a horse tends to dump on the front end if they are changing just before the turn. That being said, I still have some that wait until that point, but I find this over finish at the first tends to encourage the lead change leaving the first barrel. Here is a video of my current colt when I first started loping him thorugh last summer and you can see him change right after the first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzcW4Eyq9GU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MVuGpsQbEHere are two different mares I had in last summer to start on the barrels for our BB, canchasr1. Both of these mares had about 30 days on the pattern when the video was taken. You can see both switch to their right lead directly after the first as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7taGpMZqbhYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZExPZG5gccÂ
First of all, WOW, nice current colt Herbie!
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Location: NE Texas | Thank you, mreklaw, he's pretty cool. I turned the reins over to Gunnar Enlow this winter since i'm unable to go through the winter and we nominated him for the Diamonds and Dirt futurity. He just ran bottom of the 1D at Denton this past weekend out of almost 240 head. I'm pretty proud of him even though he is a world class turd and thankful to Gunnar for being willing to put him with his turdness! HAHA
Here's the video of his run from Denton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9_5VcrN3Ww
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2015-01-19 1:44 PM Thank you, mreklaw, he's pretty cool. I turned the reins over to Gunnar Enlow this winter since i'm unable to go through the winter and we nominated him for the Diamonds and Dirt futurity. He just ran bottom of the 1D at Denton this past weekend out of almost 240 head. I'm pretty proud of him even though he is a world class turd and thankful to Gunnar for being willing to put him with his turdness! HAHA
Here's the video of his run from Denton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9_5VcrN3Ww
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Location: NE Texas | total performance - 2015-01-19 2:52 PM Herbie - 2015-01-19 1:44 PM Thank you, mreklaw, he's pretty cool. I turned the reins over to Gunnar Enlow this winter since i'm unable to go through the winter and we nominated him for the Diamonds and Dirt futurity. He just ran bottom of the 1D at Denton this past weekend out of almost 240 head. I'm pretty proud of him even though he is a world class turd and thankful to Gunnar for being willing to put him with his turdness! HAHA
Here's the video of his run from Denton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9_5VcrN3Ww
Mine too, my friend! He's a pretty cool dude!!!! We proud of our boys, ain't we! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2015-01-19 4:03 PM total performance - 2015-01-19 2:52 PM Herbie - 2015-01-19 1:44 PM Thank you, mreklaw, he's pretty cool. I turned the reins over to Gunnar Enlow this winter since i'm unable to go through the winter and we nominated him for the Diamonds and Dirt futurity. He just ran bottom of the 1D at Denton this past weekend out of almost 240 head. I'm pretty proud of him even though he is a world class turd and thankful to Gunnar for being willing to put him with his turdness! HAHA
Here's the video of his run from Denton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9_5VcrN3Ww
He's a pretty cool dude...and a turd! Yes, we are..and our fillies too. Can't leave them out.  |
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Location: Nashvegas | Thank you Herbie! Very nice colt!! Thank you for the advice and encouragement. The video was super helpful. I haven't spent a year or two on him on the pattern as some would infer, rather he has only been loping/high loping for maybe 6 months and not as consistently as I would like due to arena situation and such. When we slow work he will get it, once I really make him do it. I, like you Herbie, prefer them to switch coming off the barrel because I too feel that they tend drop the shoulder when they change directly before the 2nd. I will try what you are doing Herbie and what others have also suggested. I really appreciate it! Thank you!
ETA - I haven't been really over working him on it as I should have been. He hunts barrels, looks to turn them and reaaly get down when he is correct, which is why I am frustated.
Edited by cwgrl536 2015-01-19 8:43 PM
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