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Spin off from dressage - Grinandbareit , Biblia EVERYONE invited :)

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WrapSnap
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2015-01-27 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: Spin off from dressage - Grinandbareit , Biblia EVERYONE invited :)


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The first barrel in this video offers a pretty good example of my allowing my shoulders to drop back behind me and really using a driving seat in order to shove a very worky horse around the backside of a barrel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HGBL1iyUhM

This video is of a horse who required that you shove her with everything that you had every step of the way in order to get any sort of run. She was not however, overly ratey in the turns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGi9h5tbVc
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willrodeo4food
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2015-01-27 10:00 PM
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Bibliafarm - 2015-01-27 1:40 PM  sorry on cell and didn't realize it went thru yet.I wasn't finished ..bareback helps with balance..trot work . I'll go into detail when I get in laptop

Bareback with proper equitation.  Most barrel racers don't have a really good concept of equitation and how using your body can effect how your horse uses their body.
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Fairweather
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2015-01-28 9:01 AM
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WrapSnap - 2015-01-27 9:36 PM

Fairweather - 2015-01-27 11:37 AM

WrapSnap - 2015-01-26 10:33 PM I tend to ride with my seat and thigh far more than most barrel racers. I also teach the use of seat and thigh in ways that many have never been taught. Until the last few years, I had never ridden super ratey horses on a consistent basis. Actually, up until then, I had ridden exactly 1 regularly. I ride every horse with my seat and leg in the dry work. This may be a hard concept for some, as I can often be seen loping around slightly out of the tack , using a more "sweeping" seat, or what some would call a two point position. Even then, my seat and thigh are having the greatest impact on my horse. When running a pattern however, I find that a "Driving" seat is a very beneficial tool, especially on those super ratey, snappy and rollback style turners. During the 2013 NFR, I did a critique thread. In that thread, I commented several times on how well Taylor Jacobs used her seat and thigh to drive Bo past the backside of a few barrels. Her riding in those moments was a great example of how the Driving seat can be used in the turn. The seat and hip can be used to pick one up and send them forward leaving the turn, as well. Every time that we close our thigh against a horse and tuck our tush in a driving motion, we should immediately feel a forward response. I have been told by many that my horses would run faster if I didn't get behind them in the turns, but in actuality, I am hitting the gas pedal at that point.

With a horse that has a lot of natural rate do you tend to sit as deep and use a ton of leg or do you sit a little lighter? 

 

For one that has a ton of rate at the turn, I sit even more deeply and use my seat to drive one forward and around the barrel. For one that is more the type that you have to pedal at them in order to get any run at all, I tend to sit a bit lighter, while using my lower back to get putting that same sort of driving motion into them and encouraging them forward with my entire leg, starting at the thigh.

Good point on one that rates and keeps running and one that rates that to have to hustle.
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Fairweather
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Posted 2015-01-28 9:02 AM
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WrapSnap - 2015-01-27 9:43 PM The first barrel in this video offers a pretty good example of my allowing my shoulders to drop back behind me and really using a driving seat in order to shove a very worky horse around the backside of a barrel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HGBL1iyUhM This video is of a horse who required that you shove her with everything that you had every step of the way in order to get any sort of run. She was not however, overly ratey in the turns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGi9h5tbVc

Thanks for posting these two. 
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Speedy Buckeye Girl
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Posted 2015-01-28 9:25 AM
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grinandbareit - 2015-01-27 4:42 PM Okay... I hate watching myself ride, but here it is. I'll put my money where my mouth is, lol... I probably get floppy arms more than I should but I have always done that when I run - in my mind it makes me think I'm running faster, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGVlxqizAfs

 lol...on the floppy arms comment - I do the same thing...I look like a dysfunctional bird but in my head it seems like I'm trying harder to go faster...or fly...

Your video definitely shows what you are talking about re: your seat and driving without leaning too far forward.  And maybe it's because I grew up riding jumpers, but I've seen so many people get into trouble by leaning too far forward and just hovering on or even in front of, the horse's forehand.  If that horse trips, stops, etc...that rider will be eating dirt.  Not to mention the horse becomes heavy on the forehand and loses all impulsion/momentum from behind.
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grinandbareit
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2015-01-28 10:22 AM
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Here is a good example of how much it benefits us when we stay in the middle of our horse during our run... The ground here was really bad and several horses fell at this rodeo... I credit no shoes, sitting right in the middle, and the grace of God, that we stood up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHh7LGY4GwA&feature=youtu.be

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Three 4 Luck
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Posted 2015-01-28 10:57 AM
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 I feel compelled to point out that there is a difference in a driving seat and humping your horse.  
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Three 4 Luck - 2015-01-28 8:57 AM  I feel compelled to point out that there is a difference in a driving seat and humping your horse.  
A lot of people don't even realizing they are driving with their seat, especially at a lope. They think they are just maintaining good seat contact with their saddle. A lot of times a horse that someone can't get a nice relaxed slow lope out of just needs a lighter seat. 

Edited by willrodeo4food 2015-01-29 8:02 AM
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grinandbareit
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2015-01-28 11:07 AM
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I have to say this... Some people can really handle their horses and do a lot of "stuff" during their run. I CAN NOT. I need to make sure that my horse knows his job and can do it without too much help from me. If I had to do all the stuff that WrapSnap did, I would fall off, lol.

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Fairweather
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Posted 2015-01-28 12:01 PM
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grinandbareit - 2015-01-28 10:22 AM Here is a good example of how much it benefits us when we stay in the middle of our horse during our run... The ground here was really bad and several horses fell at this rodeo... I credit no shoes, sitting right in the middle, and the grace of God, that we stood up... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHh7LGY4GwA&feature=youtu.be[/qu...
 
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Fairweather
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2015-01-28 12:06 PM
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grinandbareit - 2015-01-28 11:07 AM I have to say this... Some people can really handle their horses and do a lot of "stuff" during their run. I CAN NOT. I need to make sure that my horse knows his job and can do it without too much help from me. If I had to do all the stuff that WrapSnap did, I would fall off, lol.

I can't either!  I am just now getting to the point where I can think during a run. Fortunately my horse is extremely consistent and waits on me but I have to keep him going and push too! Now that I'm thinking more, I'm noticing more subtle things that make a difference. 
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WrapSnap
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Posted 2015-01-28 12:26 PM
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grinandbareit - 2015-01-28 11:07 AM


I have to say this... Some people can really handle their horses and do a lot of "stuff" during their run. I CAN NOT. I need to make sure that my horse knows his job and can do it without too much help from me. If I had to do all the stuff that WrapSnap did, I would fall off, lol.


I agree with you wholeheartedly! Unfortunately, the Paint mare had been through a ton of hands before I got her and what we have now is a far cry better than what I first received. I'm not a proponent of doing all of that handling, it just is what it is with that one and I love her dearly. lol
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2015-01-28 2:16 PM
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grinandbareit - 2015-01-28 11:07 AM


I have to say this... Some people can really handle their horses and do a lot of "stuff" during their run. I CAN NOT. I need to make sure that my horse knows his job and can do it without too much help from me. If I had to do all the stuff that WrapSnap did, I would fall off, lol.


That is why I like to watch you ride! I can't do all that either. I don't even like to whip in the middle of the run. All I want to have to worry about is getting to the barrel and getting up and out of their way leaving it. My biggest self criticism is if I am late leaving a barrel and my hand ends up pulling against them on the back side. I want to be ready and up and out of there to the next one.

I am not good at having to do A, B, C, and X Y and Z to get through the pattern clean. And I don't like riding those kind.. I like the be still, let them work kind!
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