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Location: MN | Need opinions/info/advice, etc. from those who have a good understanding or have had horses with the Poco Bueno bloodline.
I know of a nice mare for sale by Smart Sugar Badger (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smart+sugar+badger) and he goes back to Poco Bueno on both sides.
Given that hyperelastosis cutis (HC) or hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) links back to the Poco Buneo bloodline, would you be concerned if purchasing a horse with this bloodline? Would you have it tested?
I'm not familiar with any of this so any input, experience, recommendations, etc. would be greatly appreciated!! |
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Location: Montana | I have not had experience with horses that heavily bred in that direction, my mare does go back to Poco Bueno at least once. If the horse tested negative for that trait or didn't exhibit that trait and it was what I wanted in a horse, I would not be afraid of those bloodlines. Thye are really solid cow lines, and can be pretty gritty. Even though they are typically on the smaller side, they can really work just from what I have seen. JMHO. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I grew up riding those lines and wouldn't hesitate to have another. My dad stood a son of Poco Pine. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Poco Bueno is so far back in that pedigree that I wouldn't even think twice about it...I still probably wouldn't think twice about it even if he were up closer, most of the horses I know have Poco Bueno somewhere and not a single one of them have HERDA. I've never even heard of a horse having it (by that I mean I don't even know a person who knows a person with a horse with it).
Edited by livexlovexrodeo 2015-01-31 12:09 PM
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| Smart Sugar Badger horses are nice!!!!
If you are overly concerned, make your offer contingent on the horse 5 panel testing N/N including HERDA. I wouldn't let it scare me at all. Go for it! |
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| livexlovexrodeo - 2015-01-31 11:07 AM
Poco Bueno is so far back in that pedigree that I wouldn't even think twice about it...I still probably wouldn't think twice about it even if he were up closer, most of the horses I know have Poco Bueno somewhere and not a single one of them have HERDA. I've never even heard of a horse having it (by that I mean I don't even know a person who knows a person with a horse with it).
I have never seen a HERDA horse either just pictires. The most poco bueno influence horse i had was a bit over 40% she was great. Id get another in a heart beat and a carrier would not scare me away. Only thing it would affect is who you can breed to. They must be N/N for HERDA if you ever breed.
Probly one of my favorite lines, this is the first time in a while there is not one on the farm! I should fix that ;-) |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | della - 2015-01-31 9:11 PM
livexlovexrodeo - 2015-01-31 11:07 AM
Poco Bueno is so far back in that pedigree that I wouldn't even think twice about it...I still probably wouldn't think twice about it even if he were up closer, most of the horses I know have Poco Bueno somewhere and not a single one of them have HERDA. I've never even heard of a horse having it (by that I mean I don't even know a person who knows a person with a horse with it).
I have never seen a HERDA horse either just pictires. The most poco bueno influence horse i had was a bit over 40% she was great. Id get another in a heart beat and a carrier would not scare me away. Only thing it would affect is who you can breed to. They must be N/N for HERDA if you ever breed.
Probly one of my favorite lines, this is the first time in a while there is not one on the farm! I should fix that ;- )
HERDA positive horses usually have to be put down, from what I understand about it. If the horse is positive for HERDA, they would show it early on and have skin problems. So, if you like her and don't want to breed her, I would say go ahead. It wouldn't stop me from getting her. Like the others said, it's so far back, probably not a problem. Even if you breed her, if you only breed to other lines, you'll probably be ok. If you do want to breed her to another cow bred, I would say get the test done first and only breed her to a negative stud.
I don't know anything about the HC, sorry. |
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| I love Sugar Badger and Poco Bueno! They generally produce smaller, but tough, and extremely cowy horses. They are solid and I have had good experiences with them! I think having Poco Bueno that far back, I wouldn't worry too much about HERDA or HC |
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| Nita - 2015-01-31 8:37 PM
della - 2015-01-31 9:11 PM
livexlovexrodeo - 2015-01-31 11:07 AM
Poco Bueno is so far back in that pedigree that I wouldn't even think twice about it...I still probably wouldn't think twice about it even if he were up closer, most of the horses I know have Poco Bueno somewhere and not a single one of them have HERDA. I've never even heard of a horse having it (by that I mean I don't even know a person who knows a person with a horse with it).
I have never seen a HERDA horse either just pictires. The most poco bueno influence horse i had was a bit over 40% she was great. Id get another in a heart beat and a carrier would not scare me away. Only thing it would affect is who you can breed to. They must be N/N for HERDA if you ever breed.
Probly one of my favorite lines, this is the first time in a while there is not one on the farm! I should fix that ;- )
HERDA positive horses usually have to be put down, from what I understand about it. If the horse is positive for HERDA, they would show it early on and have skin problems. So, if you like her and don't want to breed her, I would say go ahead. It wouldn't stop me from getting her. Like the others said, it's so far back, probably not a problem. Even if you breed her, if you only breed to other lines, you'll probably be ok. If you do want to breed her to another cow bred, I would say get the test done first and only breed her to a negative stud.
I don't know anything about the HC, sorry.
Yes i understand that. Its a very nasty, the skin pretty much slofs off :-(
A horse can carry one copy of HERDA and be h/N and a carrier and completely fine. But if you breed to another carrier Such as Third Cutting you run the risk of a +\+ foal that is doomed. Theres acatual quite a few studs standing that are carriers with poco beauno OFF the face of the papers. ALWAYS test. Distance dosent always mean your safe, and its not worth the gamble on a foals life.
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Location: So. California | Are you purchasing the mare as a broodmare? If so, yes, I would have her 5 panel tested prior to purchasing. Testing through AG is quick and it's only $95. Well worth the piece of mind IMHO. |
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