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Location: Where my Kids are!!! | Anyone have that one horse that is just plan ignorant?? Sh$$$y??? What have you done to get him or her through it?? How long before you gave up and sent them packing?? I have a horse I am riding and she is just sh$$$y. Kicks....lunges....kicks up...bucks....etc. Has the talent but just has NO heart or try to do the right thing. Has been vetted by three different vets....scoped....treated for ulcers.....chiropractic work....all of it.....and she still just doesn't want to behave. Always an issue with something.
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | We bought one as a 3 year old that we later (couple months after we bought her) was a kicking fool. She ended up hurting herself shortly after we bought her. She had all the try in the world (maybe to much sometimes) but if it wasn't her way it was no way. She was just a mean witch to other horses but was nice as could be to people when they were on the ground. She was my SO's calf horse and I tried her on the barrels this summer. She was a shoulder dropping hog and about broke my leg (she was sound had many vets look at her). We sent her packing late this summer as an 8 year old.
We kept her 4 1/2 years to long. We tried EVERYTHING and couldn't get her out of it. It is sad because she could have been a really nice horse. |
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Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada | Sounds like my mare who was nasty and a gong show to deal with before i got her 5 years ago at 15 YO. I was given this mare because the previous owner simply could not handle her. She was really a problem. She would try and run people out of her stall, barge past if she could not do that . Working her was a tricky deal as she dogged it going out for a ride and then was unable to control herself comng back.
Part of the problem was found when I took out her ovaries at Pilchuck's Clinic in Snohomish Wash.
They ultra sounded her and ovaries looked good, the surgeoon said they looked normal when they took them out, but on biopsy they found a tumor secreting testosterone inside one of the ovaries. No wonder she looked and acted like a stallion.
I did that at 19 so a lot of the behavior is probably ingrained but she is much better.
Anoher thing we found was that according to a good trainer I got (Darryl Gibb), she had been getting away with this for years (maybe with some reason) and she was not respectful, or taught to lead. For example, when trying to teach her to tailer load I could not get her in.
He came out and tried to load her and eventually he just took her up to a round pen, took the stirrups off my saddle and tied up one foot to the horn, let her jump around a bit and fuss a while, and then he just slowly pulled her down and put her flat out on the ground. Then he let her up , took her to the trailer and she walked in half way, and then he let her rest , took her up and laid her down one more time and she then just quietly walked in the tailer. I loaded her next day and a few times after that . That was before the operation and since then I laid her off for about 18 months and now I cannot get her in the trailer again but she is pretty good otherwise. I cannot find that trainer and no one else can get her in either so I am stuck in that regard.
I am not confident i can lay her down like he did.
Darryl's comment was she just had never really been trained to lead and respect anyone.
I guess what I am saying is this horse thinks it is boss . However, if you fight with her she will love that and give you a battle as that she understands and is probably good at. So you need to outsmart her and maybe laying her down or some other technique is required so she is in a position she cannot dominate the goings on or run the show and has to submit, yet everything is done without force and pain and fear being used.
I am now looking for a natural horseman who can do this for my mare. As darryl said when I exclaimed my mare looked really frightened when loading, he said let her be scared that is her honest opinion of what she is facing.
I think it is a case of unlocking a mental barrier sometimes. In the old days maybe bucking them out did this but it probably hurt the horse in the process.
When my horse was down he talked to her and was quiet and kind and then when he let her up it seemed like the mare had changed her mind.
I tried galloping her down to get her to behave and load for example but she just got fitter and tougher, so It seems maybe there is a need to shock them into a different place mentally sometimes.
I do not claim to be a trainer , but that has been my experience . A different trainer tried to pull her into the trailer last week with all sorts of techniques and that did not work. I think she needs a brain adjustment again. Otherwise she goes through mud , over tarps, beside road equipment while it is working, through narrow openings, and is basically ok but is an insecure horse in certain situations.
I think she was hurt in a trailer.
Her overall nasty disposition is now much improved and that may have been hormonal originally then reinforced as people tried to deal with her. Also, remember this, just because you remove ovaries, it does not mean no estrogen as the horse is unique in that the adrenal glands can secrete estrogen and they can even show heat apparently. Mine does not.
Mares are quirky anyways , so I would get a natural horsemanship trainer or Bob Avila type person and ask him or her if your mare is like mine and would benefit from a mental reset?
As Darryl said she is not broke perhaps, but break her a different way without pain and fear and force, she knows how to fight that.
Cheers,
Coastal Rider
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Location: Willows, CA | Life is too short to ride a dink. Move on and spend your valuable time on one with more potential. |
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| winwillows - 2015-02-18 6:24 PM
Life is too short to ride a dink. Move on and spend your valuable time on one with more potential.
^^^^This! Horses are supposed to be a fun hobby. Why spend your time being miserable when there are so many other horses you could enjoy your time with. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | When I bought my gelding he had no ground manners at all. He pawed at me and bit me while walking him to his stall after I unloaded him from buying him. He kicked, lashed out, bit, pawed, pushed. I had to get a stud chain just to lead him anywhere and I had to keep a muzzle on him.
After about 3 months of just ground work and some Chiro treatments, he was the sweetest horse. Now he just pushes with his nose and nibbles when he isn't getting enough attention.
He's got character, and when it starts to show under saddle, we repeat basic ground work and he is fine again.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Not everyone is cut out to work horses that don't come along easily. Doesn't mean it's the horse's fault it just means they need to be in the right hands.
I used to think a good horse trainer was someone that could make a horse do anything. Now I realize a good trainer is someone who can recognize what a horse wants to do and will work them for that. If a horse isn't showing heart to do something, they need a different job. Doesn't mean they're bad horses it means we need to step up to the plate and read them a little better. |
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Location: Where my Kids are!!! | Thanks for all the replies. Very much appreciated.This mare is unique for sure. She is broke to ride but just doesn't seem to want to be rode. She spends more time trying different ways to drop your head in the dirt than actually doing any work at all. She was very spoiled when she came to me and got away with A LOT. She doesn't like to be asked....told...or reminded. She wants to do what she wants. It has been interesting to say the least. And all her owner wants to do is just be able to ride her down the road. And that is even a chore alone or with another horse. |
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| horses are just like people there are smart ones middle of the road lazy and some are dumb.
i had 1 she was like the wind did not stop at her ears. she had no talent for anything but just riding but she was bred great no way did i breed
her we sold her for a riding horse even dan r said the same thing he had for 3 month
why do people think that every horse should be brilliant and talented ?
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Location: on my horse | winwillows - 2015-02-18 5:24 PM
Life is too short to ride a dink. Move on and spend your valuable time on one with more potential.
So incredibly true!!! I just sold my little red mustang gelding last week because as he was getting broker, he just couldn't take the pressure of being an arena horse and was pulling some dangerous Sh*t. Perfectly happy to walk down a trail so that's what he's going to go do now.
Currently borrowing my cousin's horse and let me tell you it is soooo incredibly nice to ride a nice safe quiet and talented horse! Until you get rid of your dink you don't realize how much you safety up and change the way you ride just to cope and like win willows said it just isn't worth it!
On that note, LRQHS if you see this post I may be able to get my Scorcho baby sooner than I thought lol
Edited by redmansmyman11 2015-02-19 8:50 PM
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