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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2015-02-26 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: Losing weight on Renew Gold


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geronabean - 2015-02-26 5:33 PM

My allergic to every feed horse is doing great on RG and alfalfa. Sad news is I cant get RG easily but I did like the product for my mare for the month I used it. Will be interesting comparing results to the substitute product I am using.

It should be no problem to get Renew Gold anywhere in Florida. If you would like help getting it again just pm your contact information and we will see that you are taken care of.
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LabRat
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2015-03-07 9:18 AM
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If a horse is losing weight based on what they're getting for grain, they're not getting enough hay!
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wyoming barrel racer
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Posted 2015-03-07 12:31 PM
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LabRat - 2015-03-07 8:18 AM If a horse is losing weight based on what they're getting for grain, they're not getting enough hay!

I kind of agree here to a point (good teeth, ulcers, health etc).  
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BBrewster
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-03-07 3:44 PM
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I'm feeding Renew gold to everything from easy keepers to my yearlings...all doing great i do adjust obviously how much each get individually but they all are on free choice coastal and alfalfa they get morning and night...i love it...my horses love it they lick their buckets clean and they didn't do that before....i add purina senior to all of their renew gold just to make their msm and electrolytes stick to it but their only getting like 2 cups full of senior max each some a little less...anyway love the science behind it and my horses all seem more rational on it...none seem lethargic but they have anyway very balanced diet now alfalfa is definitely a key ingredient to their diet and don't let anyone tell ya alfalfa makes em hot..it has high protein but it's actually lower in starch than most all grass hays ( starch is what gives energy ie carbs/glucose )...pic of my 2 yr old filly last week..definitely not lethargic !



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Longneck
Reg. Mar 2004
Posted 2015-03-07 4:04 PM
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BBrewster - 2015-03-07 3:44 PM I'm feeding Renew gold to everything from easy keepers to my yearlings...all doing great i do adjust obviously how much each get individually but they all are on free choice coastal and alfalfa they get morning and night...i love it...my horses love it they lick their buckets clean and they didn't do that before....i add purina senior to all of their renew gold just to make their msm and electrolytes stick to it but their only getting like 2 cups full of senior max each some a little less...anyway love the science behind it and my horses all seem more rational on it...none seem lethargic but they have anyway very balanced diet now alfalfa is definitely a key ingredient to their diet and don't let anyone tell ya alfalfa makes em hot..it has high protein but it's actually lower in starch than most all grass hays ( starch is what gives energy ie carbs/glucose )...pic of my 2 yr old filly last week..definitely not lethargic !

 Hahahaha!  I love this picture!  This is how my 12 and 17 year old act once they're let out after eating.
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BBrewster
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2015-03-07 10:05 PM
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Lol this was after being cooped up for 3 days because if the snow n ice lol she's a fun colt lol
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-03-07 10:23 PM
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BBrewster - 2015-03-07 3:44 PM

I'm feeding Renew gold to everything from easy keepers to my yearlings...all doing great i do adjust obviously how much each get individually but they all are on free choice coastal and alfalfa they get morning and night...i love it...my horses love it they lick their buckets clean and they didn't do that before....i add purina senior to all of their renew gold just to make their msm and electrolytes stick to it but their only getting like 2 cups full of senior max each some a little less...anyway love the science behind it and my horses all seem more rational on it...none seem lethargic but they have anyway very balanced diet now alfalfa is definitely a key ingredient to their diet and don't let anyone tell ya alfalfa makes em hot..it has high protein but it's actually lower in starch than most all grass hays ( starch is what gives energy ie carbs/glucose )...pic of my 2 yr old filly last week..definitely not lethargic !

If she doesn't make a barrel horse maybe a rodeo bronc?!!

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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2015-03-07 10:39 PM
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winwillows - 2015-02-26 1:16 PM

SG. - 2015-02-26 12:13 PM

winwillows - 2015-02-25 10:51 PM
winwillows - 2015-02-25 1:29 AM Call me on my cell at 530-518-8254 and we can go over your program. It should be easy to figure out what is going on. I am on west coast time, and on the road on Wednesday. You should be able to reach me. Win
This, call us if you have an issue. A horse that will carry weight on a 4+ pound grain ration but not on forage based ration has a non functioning hind gut. This also means a compromised immune system, and a higher colic risk. We can usually sort this out for you, and are happy to help.

I respectfully disagree that all horses that don't thrive on RG have non functioning hind gut issues with compromised immune systems and high risk colics.  I also don't believe that you should have to add expensive alfalfa.  When you start upping the alfalfa I feel you can further cause issues with too much protein and get cal/phos out of whack.  I am NOT a huge advocate of high protein.   I did try it and when I switched to safe choice I was able to stop feeding 15# of RG a day.  And was able to cut back on the amount of $23 a bale alfalfa.  I do however feel  some horses do thrive on it.  My 3 year old gelding came home from kmcsunshines house looking fantastic after being on RG  So I think sometimes it is the individual horses. Like I said  JMHO

There are so many points here, that it is hard to discuss all. There are several indicators of digestive efficiency that stand out when a horse or more importantly a group of horses seem to thrive on one type of feeding program and not on another. Lets look at it this way. A horse needs a certain amount of digestive energy to thrive and carry proper weight. If it takes over 4 pounds of concentrate with your hay to keep the horse fit, then the horse clearly has to rely more on the concentrate for it's nutrition as those levels of concentrate generally become disruptive to an efficient hind gut and efficient hay digestion. In other words, the more concentrate you feed, the less your horse has the ability to completely digest its hay. You can keep a horse fit this way, just look at how they feed on the race track, but you compromise the hind gut in doing so. Remember, on the track they really don't care how long a horse can have a healthy productive life. I did not say in my previous statement that there was a high risk of colic, is said "higher" meaning more risk than in a program that does not feed this way. This type of higher concentrate program can also work if the hay is so poor that there is just not enough calories in it, even if you could capture most of them. The calories have to come from somewhere. If you are stuck with poor hay and your only option is to feed high concentrate rates you need to break them into as many feedings as you can so that the enzymes in the small intestine are not overwhelmed and can break down the starches and sugars there with out it getting into the hind gut. Here is a point where I would rather feed better hay, or add alfalfa to boost poor hay, than feed more concentrate and unbalance the system. Worrying about excess protein here from alfalfa is not an issue, because the failure to thrive clearly shows that the grass hay is most likely short anyway. As to a Cal/phos ratio, you are safe there also. If plenty of roughage along with 1 to 1.5 pounds of RG is fed and the horse is not thriving then either the hay is short of energy, or the horse is not properly digesting the hay that it is eating. 500,000 bags of RG sold tells us that this is true. So, my point, assuming that the hay quality is adequate, is that either not enough roughage is fed, or there are other factors that are preventing the horse from efficiently breaking down that roughage in the hind gut. I have said many times that the most common factor when this happens is the horses inability to chew the grass hay portion of its diet efficiently. Usually this is a teeth problem causing the horse discomfort and therefor causing it to chew less than it normally would. Grass hay that is not chewed well is not digested well. Every horse owner should learn to access the condition of their horses teeth for rough edges on the outside of the uppers and the inside of the lowers. Most people rely on the vet to do this and, in general, they ignore small issues with the teeth until a major float is justified. In my opinion, this is a mistake. As to my statement about the immune system, that is about 80% driven from the hind gut when it is working efficiently. High concentrate rations limit that and therefor proper immune function. Lastly, I agree that Renew Gold is not for everyone, or every horse. Just the vast majority of them.

You have good points, but when I read this, my question is why would anyone want to feed your product?

From what you are saying, people's money is better invested in teeth, worming, and hay.
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winwillows
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2015-03-08 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Losing weight on Renew Gold


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cheryl makofka - 2015-03-07 10:39 PM

winwillows - 2015-02-26 1:16 PM

SG. - 2015-02-26 12:13 PM

winwillows - 2015-02-25 10:51 PM
winwillows - 2015-02-25 1:29 AM Call me on my cell at 530-518-8254 and we can go over your program. It should be easy to figure out what is going on. I am on west coast time, and on the road on Wednesday. You should be able to reach me. Win
This, call us if you have an issue. A horse that will carry weight on a 4+ pound grain ration but not on forage based ration has a non functioning hind gut. This also means a compromised immune system, and a higher colic risk. We can usually sort this out for you, and are happy to help.

I respectfully disagree that all horses that don't thrive on RG have non functioning hind gut issues with compromised immune systems and high risk colics.  I also don't believe that you should have to add expensive alfalfa.  When you start upping the alfalfa I feel you can further cause issues with too much protein and get cal/phos out of whack.  I am NOT a huge advocate of high protein.   I did try it and when I switched to safe choice I was able to stop feeding 15# of RG a day.  And was able to cut back on the amount of $23 a bale alfalfa.  I do however feel  some horses do thrive on it.  My 3 year old gelding came home from kmcsunshines house looking fantastic after being on RG  So I think sometimes it is the individual horses. Like I said  JMHO

There are so many points here, that it is hard to discuss all. There are several indicators of digestive efficiency that stand out when a horse or more importantly a group of horses seem to thrive on one type of feeding program and not on another. Lets look at it this way. A horse needs a certain amount of digestive energy to thrive and carry proper weight. If it takes over 4 pounds of concentrate with your hay to keep the horse fit, then the horse clearly has to rely more on the concentrate for it's nutrition as those levels of concentrate generally become disruptive to an efficient hind gut and efficient hay digestion. In other words, the more concentrate you feed, the less your horse has the ability to completely digest its hay. You can keep a horse fit this way, just look at how they feed on the race track, but you compromise the hind gut in doing so. Remember, on the track they really don't care how long a horse can have a healthy productive life. I did not say in my previous statement that there was a high risk of colic, is said "higher" meaning more risk than in a program that does not feed this way. This type of higher concentrate program can also work if the hay is so poor that there is just not enough calories in it, even if you could capture most of them. The calories have to come from somewhere. If you are stuck with poor hay and your only option is to feed high concentrate rates you need to break them into as many feedings as you can so that the enzymes in the small intestine are not overwhelmed and can break down the starches and sugars there with out it getting into the hind gut. Here is a point where I would rather feed better hay, or add alfalfa to boost poor hay, than feed more concentrate and unbalance the system. Worrying about excess protein here from alfalfa is not an issue, because the failure to thrive clearly shows that the grass hay is most likely short anyway. As to a Cal/phos ratio, you are safe there also. If plenty of roughage along with 1 to 1.5 pounds of RG is fed and the horse is not thriving then either the hay is short of energy, or the horse is not properly digesting the hay that it is eating. 500,000 bags of RG sold tells us that this is true. So, my point, assuming that the hay quality is adequate, is that either not enough roughage is fed, or there are other factors that are preventing the horse from efficiently breaking down that roughage in the hind gut. I have said many times that the most common factor when this happens is the horses inability to chew the grass hay portion of its diet efficiently. Usually this is a teeth problem causing the horse discomfort and therefor causing it to chew less than it normally would. Grass hay that is not chewed well is not digested well. Every horse owner should learn to access the condition of their horses teeth for rough edges on the outside of the uppers and the inside of the lowers. Most people rely on the vet to do this and, in general, they ignore small issues with the teeth until a major float is justified. In my opinion, this is a mistake. As to my statement about the immune system, that is about 80% driven from the hind gut when it is working efficiently. High concentrate rations limit that and therefor proper immune function. Lastly, I agree that Renew Gold is not for everyone, or every horse. Just the vast majority of them.

You have good points, but when I read this, my question is why would anyone want to feed your product?

From what you are saying, people's money is better invested in teeth, worming, and hay.

Your best money is spent on those things. Once that is done Renew Gold helps your horse make the most of that investment without a lot of supplements by maximizing the efficiency in the system from the stomach back, and supplying additional useable energy in the safest form without adding larger disruptive amounts of supplemental feeds.
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Mainer-racer
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2015-03-08 9:28 AM
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We don't have good hay here at all. I just know when I placed my 31 year old with cushings on RG we were about to put him down as he lost so much weight. I added RG to 1lb of Senior feed and after 3 months he has gained weight and is maintaining it.  Every year had his teeth done and is on Smartgut. RG just plain worked and I'm very happy with the results on my other 3 horses too.
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