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Location: Kansas | One of my horses started acting a little more nervous than normal this weekend at a big show, and Matt thinks we may have something going on with his stomach. I have never had one respond to ulcer treatments so am a bit out of my element here. This horse was totally calm and chilled out at the trailer but in the warm up pen was a little too wound up for my tastes. He's getting Forco for his only supplement right now, plus my standard ration of low starch feed. I keep hay in front of him all the time at the trailer and give him 20-40 cc of Maalox before each run. He is not refusing the gate or doing anything weird on the pattern, but is too nervous for this point in his career IMO. When you're winning 5D checks, you probably don't need to be walking on top of me in the warm up pen and pawing in the holding pen. These are new habits that started this weekend. We didn't get much of a warmup on Friday and I think it scared him a little because he was progressively worse out back the rest of the weekend. He still ate and drank normally all weekend but I want to fix the nervous behavior before it gets any worse.
Anyway, what sort of supplement, treatment or pre-run product would be good for this guy? |
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| I give omeprazole generally the day of for day jackpots, and over nighters, day before, day of, and day after.
This is what I do with my ulcer prone horses after I have treated my horses for 30 days |
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Location: Kansas | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-30 10:21 AM I give omeprazole generally the day of for day jackpots, and over nighters, day before, day of, and day after. This is what I do with my ulcer prone horses after I have treated my horses for 30 days
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-30 10:21 AM I give omeprazole generally the day of for day jackpots, and over nighters, day before, day of, and day after. This is what I do with my ulcer prone horses after I have treated my horses for 30 days
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Location: NE Texas | Omeprazole needs to be started at least 4 days out for your horse to feel the effects of it according to Dr. Williams at Lone Star. Ranitidine offers immediate relief but Omeprazole does not, he says. The Maalox should have coated his stomach though, so i'm wondering if this is anxiety of a different kind. I might would try a calming paste or even some ace in the mouth and see if that eases him. |
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| Does he react to any of the ulcer pressure points? |
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| rodeowithjoker - 2015-03-30 10:22 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-30 10:21 AM I give omeprazole generally the day of for day jackpots, and over nighters, day before, day of, and day after. This is what I do with my ulcer prone horses after I have treated my horses for 30 days
What do you treat with?
I use the omeprazole that Doug sells, I have seen results in my horses |
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Location: Kansas | Itsme - 2015-03-30 10:46 AM Does he react to any of the ulcer pressure points?
I don't know. What would those pressure points be?
I gave him more Maalox (40cc) Sunday than the previous two days (20cc) and he was worse in the warm up & holding pens that day. This is honestly the first time he's acted scared/worried/nervous at all, and I don't want him to be one of those horses who needs a buddy in the holding pen. He was pretty relaxed when we stood at the far corner of the warmup pen with several young horses but he did not want to be anywhere near the alleyway. Streak is 13 but has the barrel racing experience of a 5 year old so I am trying to make this all a positive experience even though I think he might prefer being a pee wee pony to running in the open LOL. Maybe one of these days I'll have a niece or nephew to ride him. |
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Location: Kansas | Herbie - 2015-03-30 10:43 AM Omeprazole needs to be started at least 4 days out for your horse to feel the effects of it according to Dr. Williams at Lone Star. Ranitidine offers immediate relief but Omeprazole does not, he says. The Maalox should have coated his stomach though, so i'm wondering if this is anxiety of a different kind. I might would try a calming paste or even some ace in the mouth and see if that eases him.
I thought about calming paste but actually didn't have any in my trailer and didn't feel he was bad enough to need ace. Normally I have either In The Zone or Smart Calm paste for Clifford but I ran out Friday night. Ooops. Time to go online shopping I guess. |
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Location: North Dakota | http://www.statelinetack.com/item/corta-flx-u-gard-pellets/E000456/
Personnally, I try these for a week daily and then the day of an event double the dose, if the horse acts better, they are either developing ulcers OR have a full blown case. I'm wondering if there isn't something else going on too..... the calming idea is a good one OR there might be some hurt, is he in good enough shape to be running?? Is he recently started being used harder than ever and having some general body/joint soreness?? Just some other things to think about-13makes me wonder if he doesn't have some aches and pains. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | rodeowithjoker - 2015-03-30 12:06 PM
Itsme - 2015-03-30 10:46 AM Does he react to any of the ulcer pressure points?
I don't know. What would those pressure points be?
I gave him more Maalox (40cc) Sunday than the previous two days (20cc) and he was worse in the warm up & holding pens that day. This is honestly the first time he's acted scared/worried/nervous at all, and I don't want him to be one of those horses who needs a buddy in the holding pen. He was pretty relaxed when we stood at the far corner of the warmup pen with several young horses but he did not want to be anywhere near the alleyway. Streak is 13 but has the barrel racing experience of a 5 year old so I am trying to make this all a positive experience even though I think he might prefer being a pee wee pony to running in the open LOL. Maybe one of these days I'll have a niece or nephew to ride him.
This link should help with the ulcer pressure points. It helps me to keep my ulcer mare in check.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr05hMmLCY4
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Location: Kansas | LMS - 2015-03-30 12:12 PM http://www.statelinetack.com/item/corta-flx-u-gard-pellets/E000456/
Personnally, I try these for a week daily and then the day of an event double the dose, if the horse acts better, they are either developing ulcers OR have a full blown case. I'm wondering if there isn't something else going on too..... the calming idea is a good one OR there might be some hurt, is he in good enough shape to be running?? Is he recently started being used harder than ever and having some general body/joint soreness?? Just some other things to think about-13makes me wonder if he doesn't have some aches and pains.
He's been running/cruising since last summer at small shows & I ran him at our state NBHA show in October for his first big show. We haven't really added speed recently - just started cleaning things up at 2nd & 3rd barrel and hustling home a little more. He is in great shape. I've been riding him all winter & hauling every weekend or two. He's barely breathing hard when we come out from a run.
A little background on him - he ran on the track as a colt, then spent several years turned out to pasture before TurnLane rescued him a couple years ago. I've had him a year and have done all his barrel training.
This is his Friday night run, just a hair faster than Sunday and a tenth faster than Saturday. Yes I know our first barrel sucked...turning to the right is our biggest challenge and it didn't help that I rode like a moron that night - cut our pocket off and never turned to look for 2nd barrel. He is incredibly stiff - always has been - to the right so that's something we continue to work on. https://youtu.be/Vf-A4YFT73k?list=UU3h0VmyuYbqBRUor4JBQVlA |
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Location: North Dakota | Ok, so watch the video, at the exact point that he should be pivoting on his right hind to come back around the barrel, he gives that leg up and bows off the side ......IMO, there are 2 things, one is a sore hock (I sound like a broken record) the other is that he's "in a hurry" and not finishing his turns. Keep emphasizing that he finishes his turn at a slower pace and see if he gets better....the anxiety could be from the knowledge that when he goes in there it is going to be to run.....maybe he has a mind of his own....If you work him on finishing those turns and he's not better, I would check him for lameness... |
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Location: Kansas | LMS - 2015-03-30 12:43 PM Ok, so watch the video, at the exact point that he should be pivoting on his right hind to come back around the barrel, he gives that leg up and bows off the side ......IMO, there are 2 things, one is a sore hock (I sound like a broken record) the other is that he's "in a hurry" and not finishing his turns. Keep emphasizing that he finishes his turn at a slower pace and see if he gets better....the anxiety could be from the knowledge that when he goes in there it is going to be to run.....maybe he has a mind of his own....If you work him on finishing those turns and he's not better, I would check him for lameness...
I may just throw him in the trailer Wednesday when I take my rodeo horses to get their teeth done (Streak's were done week before last) and have the vets take a look at him in case there's a legit reason he struggles with that turn. Previous owner said right lead was tough to get but I know she had him gone over thoroughly so he came to me in good shape. At least if there's something sore, it's not been there a super long time.
Here's our Sunday run. I didn't cut the pocket off as bad then as I did on Friday. https://youtu.be/H_K0LAfwNMk |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I would do the pressure points and see if he is reactive. I had one that wasn't reactive but was a silent worrier. I could tell when I rode him, he didn't have the swing in his back end, not relaxed and would get tense easily if I tried to put any pressure on him. He was on GastroPLUS and now the prevent. But when we go to the show I put him back on the gastroPLUS just as a stonger dose. Has been working wonders for him.  |
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