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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-04-07 7:36 PM
 We don't have timer fees or arena fees around here (Houston area).  Big  2 or 3 day shows may have a one time processing fee, Wrapn3 adds $5 on per person, not per entry.  Local jackpots rarely have any added on fees.  A local jackpot will usually draw anywhere from 150- 200 entries on a weekend with no added money,  with added money you may have 300 + entries.  A week night jackpot will draw 75 entries.  I guess we have the numbers to cover the costs without the extra fees.
Nancy is right.. I think we have the numbers to keep it profitable for the producers around here... The arenas typically rent for $400.00 a day and sometimes you can bargain with them for a multiple day event. The WrapN3 barrel races are super well run - It is generally a three day event, 80% payback, $40.00 fees plus a $5.00 office fee per entry. Youth, adult and senior sidepots. It is a sliding scale payout and usually BBR and WPRA approved. Renee and her crew do an awesome job!
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Location: MD | We have some pretty steep EF's up this way and there are places that still will "fee" you to death. I don't mind an office fee, it costs money to put something on, I get that. When I haul a trailer load to a multi-day race and turn all of my entries in at once for the 3 days, I can get a little miffed at being charged a $10 office fee, per head, per day. | |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-04-08 9:26 PM
We have some pretty steep EF's up this way and there are places that still will "fee" you to death. I don't mind an office fee, it costs money to put something on, I get that. When I haul a trailer load to a multi-day race and turn all of my entries in at once for the 3 days, I can get a little miffed at being charged a $10 office fee, per head, per day.
I don't know about all places, but some facilities will charge per horse/per day. Thus the producer must pass along this cost. A lot of these "stupid" rules we blame on the producers are facility rules. Now I know the next thought is "Why did the producer choose this facility?". Having helped put on many races, both large and small, there are many questions that don't even begin to enter the contestant's mind. For larger races you need space - parking, stalls, warm-up, etc. Are there tractors available and water trucks, if not how far do you have to haul them in and how much does it cost. Are there enough stalls, how much to bring in additional stalls, is there even a place to get more stalls from and space? You need help to run a race. Is your help close and for a multiple day race can they go home or will you have to cover their hotel and travel costs if you choose an arena further away from you where you may not know many people to help you? The list goes on and on. If you ever wonder why a producer (or multiple producers) do something, go put on a race of your own and you will find out why and probably never complain about it again! LOL. | |
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Location: Texas | grinandbareit - 2015-04-08 11:12 PM rodeomom3 - 2015-04-07 7:36 PM We don't have timer fees or arena fees around here (Houston area). Big 2 or 3 day shows may have a one time processing fee, Wrapn3 adds $5 on per person, not per entry. Local jackpots rarely have any added on fees. A local jackpot will usually draw anywhere from 150- 200 entries on a weekend with no added money, with added money you may have 300 + entries. A week night jackpot will draw 75 entries. I guess we have the numbers to cover the costs without the extra fees. Nancy is right.. I think we have the numbers to keep it profitable for the producers around here... The arenas typically rent for $400.00 a day and sometimes you can bargain with them for a multiple day event. The WrapN3 barrel races are super well run - It is generally a three day event, 80% payback, $40.00 fees plus a $5.00 office fee per entry. Youth, adult and senior sidepots. It is a sliding scale payout and usually BBR and WPRA approved. Renee and her crew do an awesome job!
I guess we are lucky around here. We don't have "extra" fees for our local jackpots, but they draw a crowd, even on the week nights. The bigger events around here also don't go overboard in my opinion. I don't mind paying for a stall/shavings (that's a convenience to me), paying the secretary and timer, heck those deals draw 400-600 entries, so the payback is still good.
I also agree that WrapN3 does an outstanding job! I always look forward to their barrel races. | |
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Location: southeast Texas | I'm probably a little off the mark here, BUT,,,,,, don't the exhibitions/time onlys help to offset some of these fees?
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Location: Nebraska | I've been pretty lucky that most of the local barrel races have been affordable. I don't mind paying a $10 office fee. One of the arenas recently got new management. They're hard to work with from what I've heard and a few barrel races have already been moved. I'm nervous to see what will happen in the next couple years if it continues. It's only 20 min from my house so I want to go to as many barrel races as possible there! | |
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Location: MD | 3 To Go - 2015-04-09 1:26 AM
WrapSnap - 2015-04-08 9:26 PM
We have some pretty steep EF's up this way and there are places that still will "fee" you to death. I don't mind an office fee, it costs money to put something on, I get that. When I haul a trailer load to a multi-day race and turn all of my entries in at once for the 3 days, I can get a little miffed at being charged a $10 office fee, per head, per day.
I don't know about all places, but some facilities will charge per horse/per day. Thus the producer must pass along this cost. A lot of these "stupid" rules we blame on the producers are facility rules. Now I know the next thought is "Why did the producer choose this facility?". Having helped put on many races, both large and small, there are many questions that don't even begin to enter the contestant's mind. For larger races you need space - parking, stalls, warm-up, etc. Are there tractors available and water trucks, if not how far do you have to haul them in and how much does it cost. Are there enough stalls, how much to bring in additional stalls, is there even a place to get more stalls from and space? You need help to run a race. Is your help close and for a multiple day race can they go home or will you have to cover their hotel and travel costs if you choose an arena further away from you where you may not know many people to help you? The list goes on and on. If you ever wonder why a producer (or multiple producers ) do something, go put on a race of your own and you will find out why and probably never complain about it again! LOL.
I agree and totally understand the issues that producers face when they are being charged fees by the facility. In the case that I'm speaking of, that is not the case, however. | |
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| roxieannie - 2015-04-09 8:01 AM
 I'm probably a little off the mark here, BUT,,,,,,  don't the exhibitions/time onlys help to offset some of these fees?Â
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yes they do.... that's why some producers will allow exhibitions to go on forever and cause the race to be late. But exhibitions most of the time don't make you a huge profit, they save your butt when you don't have the numbers show up to cover your costs. When you do have a good turn out, exhibitions will give you about $500 in your pocket but it usually gets used somewhere else, especially for series. I will be 100% honest and say that the end of a series(small local) a producer will probably end the series with about $300-500 in the bank. And if they are lucky to have some sponsors it may be more, most small producers put that back into another series or race, they aren't and won't make a lot of money. | |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-04-08 11:26 PM
We have some pretty steep EF's up this way and there are places that still will "fee" you to death. I don't mind an office fee, it costs money to put something on, I get that. When I haul a trailer load to a multi-day race and turn all of my entries in at once for the 3 days, I can get a little miffed at being charged a $10 office fee, per head, per day.
That's one thing that really chaps me... /head is a good way to drive people away in my opinion. One arena we get charged /head but we negotiated a cap on it. It may cost us $5/head to use the arena but we agreed that only up to $250, every head after that is free. this allows us to charge /person and it's only $5. | |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I am grateful for those who produce well ran events. I also want them to make a profit for their efforts. I dont work for free and I dont expect them to. But sounds like more upcharges up north?? We are pretty spoiled here in OKLA it seems with reasonable fees and lots of choices. | |
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| The fee I take the biggest issue with is the "jump-out" fee at multi-day races. I get that if you're staying the night there, they want you to buy a stall, and I have no problem with that. I think it's a ripoff to charge someone who is hauling in (possibly just for one day) and leaving that same day after you've already charged them an office fee! | |
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Location: sunny california | k.maddocks24 - 2015-04-10 9:57 AM The fee I take the biggest issue with is the "jump-out" fee at multi-day races. I get that if you're staying the night there, they want you to buy a stall, and I have no problem with that. I think it's a ripoff to charge someone who is hauling in (possibly just for one day) and leaving that same day after you've already charged them an office fee!
sometimes that fee covers the wear and tear of the ground. Horses dig holes and well they poop everywhere and sometimes people leave trash. Someone has to come in and clean all that up. I have parked out in pastures at some places and they were so tore up after everyone left, not much grazing for the cattle after the racers tear it up. | |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | TurnLane - 2015-04-09 10:05 AM I am grateful for those who produce well ran events. I also want them to make a profit for their efforts. I dont work for free and I dont expect them to. But sounds like more upcharges up north?? We are pretty spoiled here in OKLA it seems with reasonable fees and lots of choices.
I used to live in Oklahoma and then Virginia and now I am back in Jersey. I think the fees were the worst in VA. They really nickeled and dimed you to death there. So the producers are saying they have to make money. And they should. We want them to be successful so they keep doing this. So where is all the money going? It is definitely not going in the racers' pockets. You used to be able to go out and buy yourself a new headstall or take everybody out to eat on the way home from a barrel race in the old days if you placed. Nowadays, our winnings don't even cover what it cost to enter. We might as well be doing playdays. I guess it's the arenas who are charging more? Are THEY making money? But then how can little playday clubs afford to rent arenas when they charge riders $8 a class or $25 for the whole day? Someone's got to be making all the money. I know it's not me! | |
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Location: MD | SmokinBandits - 2015-04-12 10:29 PM
TurnLane - 2015-04-09 10:05 AM I am grateful for those who produce well ran events. I also want them to make a profit for their efforts. I dont work for free and I dont expect them to. But sounds like more upcharges up north?? We are pretty spoiled here in OKLA it seems with reasonable fees and lots of choices.Â
I used to live in Oklahoma and then Virginia and now I am back in Jersey. I think the fees were the worst in VA. They really nickeled and dimed you to death there. So the producers are saying they have to make money. And they should. We want them to be successful so they keep doing this. So where is all the money going? It is definitely not going in the racers' pockets. You used to be able to go out and buy yourself a new headstall or take everybody out to eat on the way home from a barrel race in the old days if you placed. Nowadays, our winnings don't even cover what it cost to enter. We might as well be doing playdays. I guess it's the arenas who are charging more? Are THEY making money? But then how can little playday clubs afford to rent arenas when they charge riders $8 a class or $25 for the whole day? Someone's got to be making all the money. I know it's not me!
That's one thing Jersy definitely has going for it and why I continue to drive up there for shows so often. Went to two barrel races this weekend. No pile of extra fees and even with so many conflicting barrel races going on and lower number of entries than normal, the payouts were still very good! | |
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