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| Ok so need some help when you breed a quarter horse to a paint when both are registered what will the foal be registered as? And what circumstances apply? How about being double registered? Iv been looking for guidelines on this but figured someone on here could explain it better! Thanks for the help! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I think it would be registered as APHA. I had a solid buckskin mare who's dad was AQHA and mom was a sorrel tobiano APHA, and she was only eligible APHA (well, I suppose I could have registered her with a buckskin association but I didn't want to).
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Location: USA | Baby would be APHA unless the paint is double registered AQHA and APHA. I have a breeding stock paint who literally has 3 paints in her bloodline, everyone else is either QH or TB. |
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| Yea my boy is registered APHA. Lol hes solid bay, with a blaze and one tiny white overo marking under his belly that you can only see when he sheds off. I wish I could register him in AQHA. But, his sire and **** both have registered paint close to the surface. |
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| The mare is a solid APHA no white at all ! |
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| Can you get a double reg APHA and AQHA ? And if so how? |
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Location: Texas | Kmarie91 - 2015-04-13 7:40 PM Can you get a double reg APHA and AQHA ? And if so how?
Only if you breed to a double registered stud. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Kmarie91 - 2015-04-13 5:37 PM
The mare is a solid APHA no white at all !
That doesn't matter to AQHA, all my buckskin had was a blaze and she was still APHA (they call them solid paint breds, thats how you register them as, or they used to be known as breeding stock).
AQHA doesn't allow any other breeds into the registry except for Appendix (TB), and even with Appendix QHs they can only be bred to an AQHA with normal papers - if you bred an Appendix QH to another Appendix QH or regular TB it wouldn't eligible for registration.
If the two horses being bred are just straight up AQHA x APHA, it would be APHA. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | The double registration I think was after they got rid of the crop out rule. The crop out rule was when you bred AQHA x AQHA and somehow miraculously got a "paint" colored baby or a baby with really high socks. The extra color made them unable to be registered with AQHA, but APHA was accepting them.
The double-registration, if I understand correctly, means that now if you bred an AQHA x AQHA and got a baby with a lot of white, you could now register with both AQHA and APHA.
The double registration would not apply to a solid bred paint, because bloodline wise, it's not a pure QH with a freak color incident...its a QH crossed with a Paint.
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Location: Texas | livexlovexrodeo - 2015-04-13 10:37 PM The double registration I think was after they got rid of the crop out rule. The crop out rule was when you bred AQHA x AQHA and somehow miraculously got a "paint" colored baby or a baby with really high socks. The extra color made them unable to be registered with AQHA, but APHA was accepting them. The double-registration, if I understand correctly, means that now if you bred an AQHA x AQHA and got a baby with a lot of white, you could now register with both AQHA and APHA. The double registration would not apply to a solid bred paint, because bloodline wise, it's not a pure QH with a freak color incident...its a QH crossed with a Paint.
I don't think this is true any longer. You'd have to breed to a double registered stud. |
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| The Color standards was changed a few years ago for AQHA. Had a paint/QH mare (small spot ) that made her apha only. We initiated the change with AQHA, and was in the pocess of getting her AQHA registered. She was 16 and never had a foal. The process stopped when she broke a leg and had to be put down. It would be wise to check with AQHA and get an oficial answer. |
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Location: SE KS | livexlovexrodeo - 2015-04-13 10:37 PM
The double registration I think was after they got rid of the crop out rule. The crop out rule was when you bred AQHA x AQHA and somehow miraculously got a "paint" colored baby or a baby with really high socks. The extra color made them unable to be registered with AQHA, but APHA was accepting them.
The double-registration, if I understand correctly, means that now if you bred an AQHA x AQHA and got a baby with a lot of white, you could now register with both AQHA and APHA.
The double registration would not apply to a solid bred paint, because bloodline wise, it's not a pure QH with a freak color incident...its a QH crossed with a Paint.
Unless, back in the pedigree the Paint was a cropout, then I believe, if all the proper paperwork & signatures can be obtained that it is possible to get AQHA papers. However, it would take a lot of work to back track it all!! |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I have a foal out of a reg. quarter mare by a reg. paint stud . Neither registry with accept the foal. She is a solid bay. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | cow pie - 2015-04-14 9:26 AM I have a foal out of a reg. quarter mare by a reg. paint stud . Neither registry with accept the foal. She is a solid bay.
APHA should register that foal if all the paperwork is in order. I've got one by an AQHA and out of a solid paint mare and she is registered APHA breeding stock since, surprise (!) she doesn't have enough white to qualify as colored. I'm not sure why someone would do that, but it made her more affordable. |
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Location: MI | The only registry that AQHA will allow a outcross on is TB and the resulting foal will be a Appendix. An Appendix horse must be crossed back with a regular registered AQHA or it must earn a ROM to advance to full registry. Once you cross a AQHA with APHA or ApHC, the foal is no longer elegible for AQHA. Only way that you are now supposed to be able to get a double registered AQ/APHA is to breed a AQHA to a double registered horse and the resulting foal would be elegible for both registries. Altho I just seen that JEH somehow just double registered a crop out and not sure how that was done. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Both parents have to have both AQHA and APHA papers for the foal to be registered in both. If one parent has APHA but no AQHA the foal will be APHA registerable but not AQHA registerable. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Did you all know that APHA has opened their books up again? You can register cropouts with 2 AQHA parents and no APHA registered ancestors as full APHA paints. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | cow pie - 2015-04-14 7:26 AM I have a foal out of a reg. quarter mare by a reg. paint stud . Neither registry with accept the foal. She is a solid bay.
Why? ALL people involved in this have to be members and do their due diligence (turn in stallion reports, etc... ) There must be a problem with one of them not turning in or signing something. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | OregonBR - 2015-04-14 9:10 AM
cow pie - 2015-04-14 7:26 AM I have a foal out of a reg. quarter mare by a reg. paint stud . Neither registry with accept the foal. She is a solid bay.
Why? ALL people involved in this have to be members and do their due diligence (turn in stallion reports, etc... ) There must be a problem with one of them not turning in or signing something.
Ya this makes no sense. I have an APHA mare and have NEVER had trouble registering the foal as long as the AQHA stud has been approved with the APHA. Was your mare approved with the APHA prior to the breeding? If not that would likely be your problem. The stallion report would have had to been filed with the APHA rather than the AQHA as well. |
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