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Location: MD | cow pie - 2015-04-16 7:17 AM
I am with wrap snap and hammer. This horse needs to be out on all day trail rides and tied up by himself. A horse that is worked and trained and groomed up tied to a trailer has no time to be an idiot.
Whoa, whoa! You are with Hammer then.... definitely not me. Go back and re-read! I DO NOT advocate such treatment of this issue! | |
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| Sounds like the horse needs crazy meds. Flame away if you want. We've got 2 in the barn on them as well as myself. Keeps them manageable, calm, and ulcer free without the meds they get ulcered up, poor the sweat, brake trailer ties, and the list goes on. On meds they are relaxed and calm. I dunno if they hear voices or see imagery boogers but whatever the case they are normal with their meds 
And I don't wanna hear the , "well I'd tie them to the patience post and they'd learn" mentality or the "wet saddle blankets." Its not a training, pain, or patience issue. Anyone who has one of the truly loopy ones knows that you can ride them til they are about dead, give them a year or two or turnout, be slow and easy...IT DOES NOT MATTER they will go back to being a bear. If you think your gonna "cowboy them" think again! These are horses with huge hearts and grit, they'd rather fall over dead than back down. Some horses need their anxiety meds JUST like people do!!
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-16 7:34 AM
Sounds like the horse needs crazy meds. Flame away if you want. We've got 2 in the barn on them as well as myself. Keeps them manageable, calm, and ulcer free without the meds they get ulcered up, poor the sweat, brake trailer ties, and the list goes on. On meds they are relaxed and calm. I dunno if they hear voices or see imagery boogers but whatever the case they are normal with their meds
And I don't wanna hear the , "well I'd tie them to the patience post and they'd learn" mentality or the "wet saddle blankets." Its not a training, pain, or patience issue. Anyone who has one of the truly loopy ones knows that you can ride them til they are about dead, give them a year or two or turnout, be slow and easy...IT DOES NOT MATTER they will go back to being a bear. If you think your gonna "cowboy them" think again! These are horses with huge hearts and grit, they'd rather fall over dead than back down. Some horses need their anxiety meds JUST like people do!!
Can you pm me what meds you have found work on your horses? Thanks | |
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| My futurity colt for this year is just like this. He does NOT like to be left alone and would whinny for his buddies, develop ulcers, and paw a hole to China all day if somebody would've just "tied him up alone and let him think about it". Like WrapSnap said, his isn't a behavioral issue, it's just his personality. He's finally gotten to the point he won't whinny while we're riding, but for a long time he would. I always haul another horse with him, keep hay in front of him, etc.
The reason I put up with him.. he's insanely talented. Easily the nicest, most hard working horse I've ever been around. He'd do absolutely anything I ask him to, so in turn, I'll do whatever I have to for him to make him comfortable. | |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-16 7:34 AM
Sounds like the horse needs crazy meds. Flame away if you want. We've got 2 in the barn on them as well as myself. Keeps them manageable, calm, and ulcer free without the meds they get ulcered up, poor the sweat, brake trailer ties, and the list goes on. On meds they are relaxed and calm. I dunno if they hear voices or see imagery boogers but whatever the case they are normal with their meds
And I don't wanna hear the , "well I'd tie them to the patience post and they'd learn" mentality or the "wet saddle blankets." Its not a training, pain, or patience issue. Anyone who has one of the truly loopy ones knows that you can ride them til they are about dead, give them a year or two or turnout, be slow and easy...IT DOES NOT MATTER they will go back to being a bear. If you think your gonna "cowboy them" think again! These are horses with huge hearts and grit, they'd rather fall over dead than back down. Some horses need their anxiety meds JUST like people do!!
I agree with this. Meds helped my sweet nutsy guys a lot. I just couldn't live the lifestyle. I agree cowboying these horses just tortures them. There's really no fix, you end up catering to them 24 hours a day. If they're a nice horse that works well, it's a lot easier to find them their enabler(not being negative, all nutsies need an enabler, ha ha). They just don't fit me at all, so I don't own any. I've owned two, and I'm just not cut out for them. | |
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| classicpotatochip - 2015-04-16 10:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-16 7:34 AM
Sounds like the horse needs crazy meds. Flame away if you want. We've got 2 in the barn on them as well as myself. Keeps them manageable, calm, and ulcer free without the meds they get ulcered up, poor the sweat, brake trailer ties, and the list goes on. On meds they are relaxed and calm. I dunno if they hear voices or see imagery boogers but whatever the case they are normal with their meds
And I don't wanna hear the , "well I'd tie them to the patience post and they'd learn" mentality or the "wet saddle blankets." Its not a training, pain, or patience issue. Anyone who has one of the truly loopy ones knows that you can ride them til they are about dead, give them a year or two or turnout, be slow and easy...IT DOES NOT MATTER they will go back to being a bear. If you think your gonna "cowboy them" think again! These are horses with huge hearts and grit, they'd rather fall over dead than back down. Some horses need their anxiety meds JUST like people do!!
I agree with this. Meds helped my sweet nutsy guys a lot. I just couldn't live the lifestyle. I agree cowboying these horses just tortures them. There's really no fix, you end up catering to them 24 hours a day. If they're a nice horse that works well, it's a lot easier to find them their enabler (not being negative, all nutsies need an enabler, ha ha ). They just don't fit me at all, so I don't own any. I've owned two, and I'm just not cut out for them.
Exactly! And some ppl can deal with them and some can not!!
Some ppl also make nice calm horses into these kinds of horses but unless you are in the barn day in and day out dealing with that horse don't make a snap judgment that the person "created the monster" when your at a show.
Some people just don't want to cater to them and thats understandable. Its all a question of what you wanna put up with and if they run a time I'll put up with A WHOLE LOT. | |
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | I always say that horses at my house earn privileges. If they are talented and working, I will put up with some serious shenanigans.
My open mare can be cinchy, food aggressive, bossy and opionionated under saddle and worries if she's by herself tied at the trailer or in a stall where she can't see. All of which drive me absolutely bonkers. BUT she's wicked fast, supremely easy to ride and takes good care of me when I have an off day. So, in turn, I spend my life making sure that Lucille is happy. If that means taking thirty minutes to saddle her or feeding her first or making sure she always has a friend somewhere in the vicinity, that's what I do. It's all a trade off. | |
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| I might be missing something but from what I read, what is the problem with this horse? Except that he's a horse. Horses are just like people. All have different personalities. MOST will have some herd issues. Instinctually they are born to be part of a herd. They look to the dominant horse for direction and protection as they are at the bottom of the food chain. We are asking horses to all kinds of things out side of their natural God given behavior. It is our job to know our horses personalities and how we can best take care of them. I am baffled by some of the responses here....makes me feel very sorry for their horses. You have a 1D horse.....that horse is working for you. I'm not sure how much confidence he is lacking if he's running in the 1D but if you daughter is a little less confident herself, maybe that's what she's feeling. He sounds like a nice horse......how much? :-) | |
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| banjomia - 2015-04-16 10:59 AM
I might be missing something but from what I read, what is the problem with this horse? Except that he's a horse. Horses are just like people. All have different personalities. MOST will have some herd issues. Instinctually they are born to be part of a herd. They look to the dominant horse for direction and protection as they are at the bottom of the food chain. We are asking horses to all kinds of things out side of their natural God given behavior. It is our job to know our horses personalities and how we can best take care of them. I am baffled by some of the responses here....makes me feel very sorry for their horses. You have a 1D horse.....that horse is working for you. I'm not sure how much confidence he is lacking if he's running in the 1D but if you daughter is a little less confident herself, maybe that's what she's feeling. He sounds like a nice horse......how much? :-)
I always ask that at the show while the owner is PO'd that the horse just dented their new trailer LOL
Or when one is rearing and refusing the gate and they are flocking on it. I'm not one bit ashamed to walk up as soon as they come out the gate after its cheating barrels and say how much when I can visibly see its a pain issue. | |
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| I think people fail to get the concept that horses are herd animals. Their instinct is to be in a herd where there is safety in numbers. Being a herd animal is also what gives them such a strong flight response. Expecting a horse to be happy being alone and forcing them to "deal with it" is like expecting a dog to live on a vegetarian diet. Some horses have a stronger herd instinct than others and are timid enough that they feel like they need a herd in order to survive. I think horses would be a lot better off if people understood this concept and worked with it instead of against it. | |
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| TrackinBubba - 2015-04-16 10:18 AM
I always say that horses at my house earn privileges. If they are talented and working, I will put up with some serious shenanigans.
My open mare can be cinchy, food aggressive, bossy and opionionated under saddle and worries if she's by herself tied at the trailer or in a stall where she can't see. All of which drive me absolutely bonkers. BUT she's wicked fast, supremely easy to ride and takes good care of me when I have an off day. So, in turn, I spend my life making sure that Lucille is happy. If that means taking thirty minutes to saddle her or feeding her first or making sure she always has a friend somewhere in the vicinity, that's what I do. It's all a trade off.
True, I put up with DeeDee's quirks. She's cinchy, bossy, and easily ****ed off, but she will win me all around awards anywhere I take her, so I put up with her. haha I only have a few things that will make me send them down the road, and those things are excessive talking/pawing (past the point of fixing), extreme gate sourness, and counterfit broncs.
By the way, Ace/Rompin cocktail works wonders on the bat **** crazy gelding I used to run. haha, he had to be blindfolded to get near the arena, though. He is the one who taught me what I should send down the road. haha because he was all of the above, plus a wall climber, cribber, and VERY studdy. Now he is a pretty pasture ornament @ 26 years old. Don't tell him though, he still thinks its 1992. haha | |
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Location: midwest mama | banjomia - 2015-04-16 9:59 AM
I might be missing something but from what I read, what is the problem with this horse? Except that he's a horse. Horses are just like people. All have different personalities. MOST will have some herd issues. Instinctually they are born to be part of a herd. They look to the dominant horse for direction and protection as they are at the bottom of the food chain. We are asking horses to all kinds of things out side of their natural God given behavior. It is our job to know our horses personalities and how we can best take care of them. I am baffled by some of the responses here....makes me feel very sorry for their horses. You have a 1D horse.....that horse is working for you. I'm not sure how much confidence he is lacking if he's running in the 1D but if you daughter is a little less confident herself, maybe that's what she's feeling. He sounds like a nice horse......how much? :-)
I am the OP, and this horse is definitely not off his rocker or anything. Although his separation anxiety does cause him to be ulcer prone and it has to be managed.
The main problem for my daughter is that she is just getting back into barrel racing after a 15 year lay off, and she lacks confidence herself. She feels that this horse would do better with a confident rider as he needs someone strong to trust. And maybe she would do better with a horse that already has a lot of confidence so SHE would have someone strong to trust. Both of them having anxiety issues just makes them feed off of each other all the more. LOL
He is definitely the type of personality that will not tolerate getting after him hard because of this - doing that would either make him fight back, or hurt his feelings and he would just quit all together. I just wondered what you all would tolerate in order to have a talented 1D horse. :) | |
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Location: midwest mama | banjomia - 2015-04-16 9:59 AM
I might be missing something but from what I read, what is the problem with this horse? Except that he's a horse. Horses are just like people. All have different personalities. MOST will have some herd issues. Instinctually they are born to be part of a herd. They look to the dominant horse for direction and protection as they are at the bottom of the food chain. We are asking horses to all kinds of things out side of their natural God given behavior. It is our job to know our horses personalities and how we can best take care of them. I am baffled by some of the responses here....makes me feel very sorry for their horses. You have a 1D horse.....that horse is working for you. I'm not sure how much confidence he is lacking if he's running in the 1D but if you daughter is a little less confident herself, maybe that's what she's feeling. He sounds like a nice horse......how much? :-)
I am the OP, and this horse is definitely not off his rocker or anything. Although his separation anxiety does cause him to be ulcer prone and it has to be managed.
The main problem for my daughter is that she is just getting back into barrel racing after a 15 year lay off, and she lacks confidence herself. She feels that this horse would do better with a confident rider as he needs someone strong to trust. And maybe she would do better with a horse that already has a lot of confidence so SHE would have someone strong to trust. LOL
He is definitely the type of personality that will not tolerate getting after him hard because of this - doing that would either make him fight back, or hurt his feelings and he would just quit all together. I just wondered what you all would tolerate in order to have a talented 1D horse. :) | |
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Location: MD | OldSchoolCowgirl - 2015-04-16 8:17 PM
banjomia - 2015-04-16 9:59 AM
I might be missing something but from what I read, what is the problem with this horse? Except that he's a horse. Horses are just like people. All have different personalities. MOST will have some herd issues. Instinctually they are born to be part of a herd. They look to the dominant horse for direction and protection as they are at the bottom of the food chain. We are asking horses to all kinds of things out side of their natural God given behavior. It is our job to know our horses personalities and how we can best take care of them. I am baffled by some of the responses here....makes me feel very sorry for their horses. You have a 1D horse.....that horse is working for you. I'm not sure how much confidence he is lacking if he's running in the 1D but if you daughter is a little less confident herself, maybe that's what she's feeling. He sounds like a nice horse......how much? :-)
I am the OP, and this horse is definitely not off his rocker or anything. Although his separation anxiety does cause him to be ulcer prone and it has to be managed.
The main problem for my daughter is that she is just getting back into barrel racing after a 15 year lay off, and she lacks confidence herself. She feels that this horse would do better with a confident rider as he needs someone strong to trust. And maybe she would do better with a horse that already has a lot of confidence so SHE would have someone strong to trust. Both of them having anxiety issues just makes them feed off of each other all the more. LOL
He is definitely the type of personality that will not tolerate getting after him hard because of this - doing that would either make him fight back, or hurt his feelings and he would just quit all together. I just wondered what you all would tolerate in order to have a talented 1D horse. : )
I am going to tell you the same thing that I told the owner of my horse that is like this. The geldings owner has ridden for years, but is still somewhat new and lacking in confidence as a barrel racer. They had seen the struggles that I have gone through in bringing this horse back from a myriad of issues. They were convinced that they wouldn't be a good owner for him because they didn't have the skill set yet to be able to manage him properly under saddle. These horses require two things more than anything else. Those two things are love and understanding. They need to know that you care for them, that you think that they are worthy, especially in moments where you would like to let them know that they are acting like a dink. They need you to understand that they are trying as hard as they possibly can. You have to show them that you respect and appreciate how hard they are trying to be good. If you can provide them with those two things, you are giving them the best shot that they could ever have. | |
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Location: Phoenix | I guess I wouldn't put up with a whole lot then! Just being honest. We've had a couple like that pass through our place and to me it shows a lack of respect. I get that it's a personality thing....but if behavior/personality didn't improve with a consistent schedule, maybe a little extra round penning, Being nice and not getting frustrated/bonding with the horse..I'd send it on its way. I can tolerate a certain level of buddying, but they'd best knock it off once the buddies are out of sight and focus on me. | |
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Location: midwest mama | Anyone else? | |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Since you asked, I will put up with a lot if one is talented and tries hard. (I WON'T tolerate a counterfeit one!). However, in your daughter's case it sounds more like a question of the horse fitting her- and vice versa. If your daughter is truly not enjoying the experience and gaining confidence along the way, she might be better off with a more laid-back, been there-done that horse. It's supposed to be fun! | |
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