RodeoGirlJodi - 2015-07-02 11:19 AM

 Do you typically see subtle improvement throughout the first initial weeks using the osphos? Or is all the improvement toward the end of the 4-6 weeks?

FLITASTIC - 2015-07-02 2:50 PM Mine was within a week. It was nothing, nothing, nothing, then all of a sudden better, better, better, good! LOL

FLITASTIC - 2015-06-02 8:44 AM I just looked it up, Its the same as OsPHOS. I found a site that you can buy it without a prescription!!! Is it s knock off of Osphos?

horsingaround - 2015-07-02 3:40 PM


The Tildren does I used in the past came with a month of stall rest. It sounds like you rode after giving the shots?
I plan on a week off and then turn out for a few weeks then???  

If the osteo phos can be given every 3-6 months there would be only a month to ride???
 

Herbie - 2015-11-03 1:25 PM

I hope all who are using these products will read this article.  These products are not new, they have been around for years in human medicine for treatment of osteoporosis, but are not prescribed nearly as much in human medicine due to serious, long term side effects that persist even after the medication is not used anymore.  The medication kills off the osteoclats inside the bone, which is a crucial part of bone remodeling, which is needed in all species.  Aot of evidence in humans to long bone fractures as a result of the bone weakening and lack of remodeling.  Also noted was a huge increase in jaw necrosion and loss of teeth.  If all that isn't bad enough, it has been shown to cause severe heart damage and kidney failure.  Please be careful with your horses and think long term rather than short term.  These results are in humans, mostly women, and they don't weigh 1000 pounds and aren't running running, turning, and testing their physical limits with each run.  The over use of Tildren and Osphos by the veterinary world has me concerned about the future of the horses who are using it so frequently and increases the chance for career ending, catastropic injuries due to bone fragility and lack of ability to remodel.  Unfortunately the medical and veterinary industry is driven by the pharmaceutical industry.  Since the medication is not readily used in human medicine as much as it used to be due to side effects, the drug companies are now pushing it on the veterinary industry, comping vets to prescribe it, and praying us horse owners aren't smart enough to do our research.  Please take the time to educate yourself and know the risks to both your horse, and you, as you are just as much at risk should something terrible happen during a run.   
https://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resources/bones.pdf
 

ampratt - 2015-11-03 2:00 PM I am not stepping on toes here so please do not take it as such. I think what you said should be a go in any treatment we give our animals or ourselves. We should always strive to search for and ensure the best treatment available for them. Unfortunately, there are pros and cons to ALL drugs. We have to educate ourselves, evaluate our animal's need, work with our vet and pray we make the best decision for their continued health. My horse would not be living a comfortable life today if it weren't for Tildren/Osphos. I've worked hard with my vet and try to read everything I can get my hands on about the drugs, or any treatment I subject my horse to. I could have buted him heavily and still probably caused organ damage as well. I stretch his treatments out as far as possible. I have my vet do routine checks on his organs etc. I recall a few years ago that there was concern about the overuse of omeprazole and the increase in fractures. I remember there being 4 broken legs during 1 year at the various races I ran at. That was scary. Even Previcox has the possibility of damage given long term but I see it mentioned on here all the time about how much is it used. I agree we just have to work to make sure we do the best by our animals. Overuse of anything is probably not a good idea.

ajs2002 - 2015-11-03 2:08 PM I think you also have to take into account the life span of the average horse verses the life span of the average person. Long term is very different in the two animals.  

Herbie - 2015-11-03 2:14 PM


I completely understand and agree with you, and yes, we have to do the best we can by them and we rely on experts to lead us in that direction.  Just remember, those experts are getting paid by the drug companies to use certain drugs....ALOT....so it's the cat guarding the canary sometimes.  There is a reason the medications aren't used in human practice much anymore, and i'm not willing to take that chance for myself and my horse due to the increased risk of fracture and catastropic injury.  Will it happen, maybe and maybe not, and yes, it can happen to any horse at any time when he makes a run under the best of circumstances, but I personally will not increase  those chances. 

Yes, there was an issue several years ago linking omeprazole to fractures.  The reason is long term use of omeprazole is directly affected to nutrient assimilation, meaning the horse isn't able to utilize what we're feeding, also resulting in vital vitamins and minerals needed for proper bone remodeling.  Same scenario, different cause, but both are depleting the bone of vital nutrients needed to be strong, yet pliable. 

Believe me, I fully understand the struggle of keeping our horses healthy and sound, and have had to research myself to death this year it seems like, but I will not rely on someone who is getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies to tell me this is a good thing, especially when it's already been discontinued in it's original intended use due to too many negative side affects.  The manufacturer has to go another route to continue to prosper.  

I'm not saying don't use these products, i'm simply saying do your research and know the risks associated. Don't rely on the vets who benefit from the drug companies greatly for prescribing it to make decisions for you and tell you it's good for your horse.  Do your own research in order to make the best decision possible.  If you still feel it's the best possible treatment for your horse, then go for it.  I just think it's important for us to do a better job educating each other, to both the good and the bad, of all these issues we're relying on others to tell us but they don't.