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Location: Sunny So Cal | You can put GastroPLUS in a syringe with some water and tube him with it like back when THE was fasting. Have you tried giving him a bran mash with carrots and apples in it to get him to eat things he is picky about eating? I can usually mask anything in bran with my picky eater. I end up using apple juice as the liquid and grate carrots and apples up and put them in there. But now the store sells the carrots already grated so it saves me some time. Good Luck with your picky eater. | |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Zebra racer - 2015-06-03 11:55 AM ITurnCans - 2015-06-03 10:54 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-03 10:00 AM First of all how do u know your horse has hind gut ulcers? My vet How was it determined?
That is what I was getting at in my question! | |
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Location: Valley City,ND | Sucralfate 1 gram per 100lbs every 8 hours. So if horse weighs 1200lbs then 12 tablets three times a day. 21 day supply is $150. Can put tabs in alittle warm water (about 60ml) , the tabs dissolve quickly, n use oral dose syringe. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 6:57 PM THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO.
I looked it up too. In a perfect world we could heal a horse for $15 | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-06-04 8:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 6:57 PM THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO. I looked it up too. In a perfect world we could heal a horse for $15
I do love the mineral end of this product as I have tried every mineral on the market and have never been happy with results but I am with this product. | |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 7:57 PM
THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO.Â
If your horse is having gas, my guess he is getting too many fermentable foods causing a ph shift in the hind gut causing gas.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 7:13 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-06-04 8:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 6:57 PM THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO. I looked it up too. In a perfect world we could heal a horse for $15
I very much agree and started feeding Redmonds salt last summer. My horses love it. They actually prefer the blocks so may have to switch back to those. I just don't see ulcers being healed for $15. I had a recent talk with my vet about what it costs to heal ANYTHING horse related. Funny conversation! | |
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Location: On a paint horse... | Im curious too how your horse was diagnosed. Can you share the symptoms he was having? Thanks! | |
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| I starting feeding daily gold about a year ago. After about a month in to it I have completely stopped omeprozole on my ulcer prone horse who was on it quite frequently for 6 months. I give him a stomach buffer before I travel and that's all. He is now off Lasix also because he's quiet at races now. . Is it a cure all? No but I have used it on over 50 head of horse and it has really helped with getting the intestinal tract back in balance. I have had zero colics since feeding it and I have more then 30 to 50 head at a time on it. I have reduced feed and other supplements also. | |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 9:13 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-06-04 8:02 PM Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 6:57 PM THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO. I looked it up too. In a perfect world we could heal a horse for $15Â
I don't think it can heal. From what I understand after talking with a few holistic vets is that the benonite clay should only ever be used as a maintenance like buffer, not a full treatment. | |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Main goal with colon ulcers is to increase mucous production so that the ulcerated spot can heal, and to feed things that pass through easily so that that it doesn't irritate the ulcerated spots. The mucous in the intestine helps to protect the lining of the colon (and any damaged spots) and it helps food slide through.
Flax is good to feed because it goes through the digestive tract easily and it's almost slimy when it gets wet. Same concept with omega oils.
Herbs like Marshmallow (sp??) and others have the same effect and some actually help the gut to produce more mucous. Horse Power herbs has a good supplement for that.
Also, I found that non-molassas beet pulp, molasses, and joint supplements including MSM caused mine to go off his feed..I had to feed straight grains, alfalfa, and a non-molasses based all round supplement.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2015-06-04 8:14 PM Nevertooold - 2015-06-04 7:57 PM THE GastroPlus is what I used on my one gelding to get rid of his hind gut ulcers.
I feed the Daily Gold and I sure don't see how it could work for healing ulcers. I ran out of FORCO and then decided to give him a break from it and soon after his gas was back and I put him back on the FORCO. If your horse is having gas, my guess he is getting too many fermentable foods causing a ph shift in the hind gut causing gas.
Guess again. | |
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| Honestly, hind gut ulcers are exceedingly difficult to diagnose, and usually the animals are in terrible near death condition before they're found. The very best thing that you can do is examine your overall feeding program. Make sure that you are providing 24/7 hay in a net. They must have full time access to forage. I have straightened so many of these suckers out it's amazing, and nevertoold has really helped me a lot, as well as tons of consultation with several good vets here in Texas! If the horse was mine I would:
1. Get the hay net out. Put grass hay in it. Hang the net where the horse can get it. Keep the net full at all times.
2. Throw away the grain. Any grain. All grain. No grain!
3. Provide 3-6 lbs quality (ie, no molasses as a binder, only bentonite) alfalfa pellets or cubes twice daily.
4. Provide 1-2 lbs good quality rice bran twice daily, (Renew Gold is good, Mannapro Glo products are excellent).
5. a) In the rice bran, mix: Full scoop of Forco, twice daily. b)The full dose of Equishure (Hind gut buffer), twice daily. c)SmartGI Ultra, twice daily.
6. For 10 days, I would give: 1 full tube of Ulcergard daily.
7. For 10 days, I would give: 1/2 tube ProBios Equine Gel, twice daily.
8. For 10 days, I would give: A good electrolyte paste as directed on the label.
Hind gut ulcers are actually very rare, though acidosis is NOT rare. It causes all the symptoms of hind gut ulcers: The drawn up look, the smelly poop, the poor appetite, etc., etc. The key here is to reduce the acid being produced in the foregut while re-establishing a healthy gut flora. The poor bugs get completely overwhelmed in an acidic environment and croak. You've got to replace them while giving them a nice healthy pH to play in, while feeding them nice things like Forco. The feed change, with a higher alfalfa intake, high hay intake, and the good fats and carbs from the rice bran, helps to have the foregut in a happy place when it comes off the Ulcergard. The SmartGI Ultra is perfect to help keep things ticking after the large numbers of bugs stop coming in from your Gel. The electrolyte paste helps your horse drink enough to provide the moisture needed to get healthy gut action moving again.
Any time any of mine get picky, my radar goes off, and they get the full treatment I listed above.
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Location: Bandera, TX | classicpotatochip - 2015-06-05 7:42 PM Honestly, hind gut ulcers are exceedingly difficult to diagnose, and usually the animals are in terrible near death condition before they're found. The very best thing that you can do is examine your overall feeding program. Make sure that you are providing 24/7 hay in a net. They must have full time access to forage. I have straightened so many of these suckers out it's amazing, and nevertoold has really helped me a lot, as well as tons of consultation with several good vets here in Texas! If the horse was mine I would: 1. Get the hay net out. Put grass hay in it. Hang the net where the horse can get it. Keep the net full at all times. 2. Throw away the grain. Any grain. All grain. No grain! 3. Provide 3-6 lbs quality (ie, no molasses as a binder, only bentonite) alfalfa pellets or cubes twice daily. 4. Provide 1-2 lbs good quality rice bran twice daily, (Renew Gold is good, Mannapro Glo products are excellent). 5. a) In the rice bran, mix: Full scoop of Forco, twice daily. b)The full dose of Equishure (Hind gut buffer), twice daily. c)SmartGI Ultra, twice daily. 6. For 10 days, I would give: 1 full tube of Ulcergard daily. 7. For 10 days, I would give: 1/2 tube ProBios Equine Gel, twice daily. 8. For 10 days, I would give: A good electrolyte paste as directed on the label. Hind gut ulcers are actually very rare, though acidosis is NOT rare. It causes all the symptoms of hind gut ulcers: The drawn up look, the smelly poop, the poor appetite, etc., etc. The key here is to reduce the acid being produced in the foregut while re-establishing a healthy gut flora. The poor bugs get completely overwhelmed in an acidic environment and croak. You've got to replace them while giving them a nice healthy pH to play in, while feeding them nice things like Forco. The feed change, with a higher alfalfa intake, high hay intake, and the good fats and carbs from the rice bran, helps to have the foregut in a happy place when it comes off the Ulcergard. The SmartGI Ultra is perfect to help keep things ticking after the large numbers of bugs stop coming in from your Gel. The electrolyte paste helps your horse drink enough to provide the moisture needed to get healthy gut action moving again. Any time any of mine get picky, my radar goes off, and they get the full treatment I listed above.
I like your post, very good advice. My only concern is why the alfalfa pellets vs alfalfa hay. When you listen to the nutritionist they all say try to keep the long stem.
I know in some places you can't get the hay and that to me would be the second best option...pellets.
I have a bag on hand at all times.
My horses are looking great off of grains, Renew Gold and thanks be to God a green pasture after 9 years of not having a pasture! | |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2015-06-07 11:57 PM
classicpotatochip - 2015-06-05 7:42 PM Honestly, hind gut ulcers are exceedingly difficult to diagnose, and usually the animals are in terrible near death condition before they're found. The very best thing that you can do is examine your overall feeding program. Make sure that you are providing 24/7 hay in a net. They must have full time access to forage. I have straightened so many of these suckers out it's amazing, and nevertoold has really helped me a lot, as well as tons of consultation with several good vets here in Texas! If the horse was mine I would: 1. Get the hay net out. Put grass hay in it. Hang the net where the horse can get it. Keep the net full at all times. 2. Throw away the grain. Any grain. All grain. No grain! 3. Provide 3-6 lbs quality (ie, no molasses as a binder, only bentonite) alfalfa pellets or cubes twice daily. 4. Provide 1-2 lbs good quality rice bran twice daily, (Renew Gold is good, Mannapro Glo products are excellent). 5. a) In the rice bran, mix: Full scoop of Forco, twice daily. b)The full dose of Equishure (Hind gut buffer), twice daily. c)SmartGI Ultra, twice daily. 6. For 10 days, I would give: 1 full tube of Ulcergard daily. 7. For 10 days, I would give: 1/2 tube ProBios Equine Gel, twice daily. 8. For 10 days, I would give: A good electrolyte paste as directed on the label. Hind gut ulcers are actually very rare, though acidosis is NOT rare. It causes all the symptoms of hind gut ulcers: The drawn up look, the smelly poop, the poor appetite, etc., etc. The key here is to reduce the acid being produced in the foregut while re-establishing a healthy gut flora. The poor bugs get completely overwhelmed in an acidic environment and croak. You've got to replace them while giving them a nice healthy pH to play in, while feeding them nice things like Forco. The feed change, with a higher alfalfa intake, high hay intake, and the good fats and carbs from the rice bran, helps to have the foregut in a happy place when it comes off the Ulcergard. The SmartGI Ultra is perfect to help keep things ticking after the large numbers of bugs stop coming in from your Gel. The electrolyte paste helps your horse drink enough to provide the moisture needed to get healthy gut action moving again. Any time any of mine get picky, my radar goes off, and they get the full treatment I listed above.
I like your post, very good advice. My only concern is why the alfalfa pellets vs alfalfa hay. When you listen to the nutritionist they all say try to keep the long stem.
I know in some places you can't get the hay and that to me would be the second best option...pellets.Â
I have a bag on hand at all times.Â
My horses are looking great off of grains, Renew Gold and thanks be to God a green pasture after 9 years of not having a pasture!
No particular reason, it's just hard for me to get and store, so it doesn't cross my mind anymore. Nothing better than a load of fresh alfalfa hay! Wish I could get it, I'd feed it straight. Oh in a perfect world...
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