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Location: Lost in the swamps | Thank you everyone for your replies, the good, bad, and the ugly. On this.
which is why I purchased a different mask (a bucket) I feel it will be
easier to sanitize. No rubber, nothing for anything to get trapped in. (My opinion only)
And is why I'm asking
what protocols are used to keep everything
sanitary. Sterile water, certain soaps,or sterile cleaners,
hot water ect. Unlike your friends horse my is not
completely healthy. My horse has IAD /asthma, and I'm looking into
albuetrol, and a steroid neb treatments
as a direct treatment as well as the silver occasionally if he
has an episode of severe mucus that can potentially become phnumonia,
Because mucus harbors bacteria,and microorganisms that bring on potential infection.
Nevulizing albuterol and a steroid is better for them as
opposed to Clembuterol and dex which has to
go thur their entire system. I understand the
potential dangers of over nebulizing and poor
cleansing practices. Which is why I asked before hand.
What products are
use to clean the masks and how often to.
replace tubes and cups ect.
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Location: NE Texas | Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me.
Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I am happy to report that after treating my horse for the past two weeks with equisilver that his cough has subsided! I hadn't heard him cough in the last few days, not even during exercise. Took him to a barrel race this weekend, treated him 2 hours out and not one single cough out of him, not during his warm up, during run (which I coasted him), or even after he ran!!
I have been able to slowly reduce the amount dex, and only gave 3cc clenbuterol before his run. Hoping to completely remove the dex from the program(slowly) and utilize Clem only as needed.
(Side note: dex and clenbuterol were given for a month prior to nebulizer w/o any changes in cough or mucus production. And smz's were given for 5 days 1 week prior to initial neb treatment) is it a cure all, prob not, has it aided in relief of his symptoms? I would say YES!
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| Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM
Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM Â I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me.
Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments).  We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO,  I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies.Â
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| I do think that nebulizers have their place such as the OP's horse who has clinically been diagnosed with asthma. With that being said I do believe people are using them when not needed. Are you going to give your child without asthma this if they are not diagnosed with a condition that requires it? That is the only problem I have with these is people using them where not needed. OP- Glad it worked for your horse with asthma | |
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Location: NE Texas | RoadToVegas - 2015-08-04 12:07 PM Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. Soo in your opinion should people not use neubulizers either? Or inhalers?
That's not what I said at all. I think there is absolutely a place for inhalers or nebulizers to distribute medications in the right environment with single subject use, and with a unit that has filters that are able to be changed and cleaned. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Tatum2 - 2015-08-04 12:20 PM
I do think that nebulizers have their place such as the OP's horse who has clinically been diagnosed with asthma. With that being said I do believe people are using them when not needed. Are you going to give your child without asthma this if they are not diagnosed with a condition that requires it? That is the only problem I have with these is people using them where not needed. OP- Glad it worked for your horse with asthma
Exactly! He has been diagnosed with clinical asthma, pharyngitis (IAD)brought on by a seasonal allergen. My decision to use a nebulizer comes from months of research talking with owners of horses with the same issues. Vets who utilize these treatments in racehorses, and my sister n law who's child is classic allergenic asthmatic. And knowing how traditional oral,iv,or IM dosages of certain medications can have detrimental effects of their entire system Vs nebulizing and getting the medicine only where it is needed. Albuterol is cost effective, over clen and can be compounded, silver aids in any microorganism that might effect his system while on the dex because it slows/or shuts down the immune system and risk of infection is greater. | |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Herbie - 2015-08-04 12:43 PM
RoadToVegas - 2015-08-04 12:07 PM Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM  I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments).  We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO,  I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. Soo in your opinion should people not use neubulizers either? Or inhalers?
The unit I purchased does have a filter and came with 5 replacement filters, and two sets of hoses,cups. To be replaced periodically. I wash all items with antibacterial soap and hot water. Re Bag everything individually once dry, I even use gloves When setting up. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Great! I truly hope it continues to work for you and your horse. My results and research have led me in a different direction due to necessity after the product had been used on my horse for several months daily and we had exhausted all options as far as medication goes. I sincerely hope you continue to have great results with it and that it brings your horse the relief he needs.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | imturnin3 - 2015-08-04 1:53 PM Herbie - 2015-08-04 12:43 PM RoadToVegas - 2015-08-04 12:07 PM Herbie - 2015-07-20 8:31 AM Swannranch - 2015-07-20 12:09 AM I was not going to post about this, but now I have to. A very good friend just went through a major several thousand dollar ordeal with her very healthy gelding. 3 weeks in intensive care with a deep sevear lung/respratory infection. He had not traveled, had not been around other new horses. No other horses became sick in the barn/pasture. Vet said it could easily have come from her equirespthingey...very timy, minute bacteria can grow and when inhales in the mist form, could be a perfect storm. I have been terrified since then. I dont know how they operate or how they are cleaned but became a serious concern for me. Exactly. A personal, single horse unit doesn't give me any more peace of mind simply because ANY bacteria, dust, mold, etc forced into the lungs is still the perfect storm....especially when you add moisture. With no research being done on the filter (if there is one), and the cleaning of it, these systems scare the crap out of me when I think of the things floating around in the air in my barn, much less a barrel race. There are better options for a horse with a breathing issue, believe me, I know....i've been through them all! At one point my 5 YO was on 8cc of Ventipulmin a day along with Dex and Pred (per vet) and still couldn't take a deep breath (after the nebulizer treatments). We had exhausted all options with veterinarians, had done 3 scopes, one of which was an exercise scope, and had gotten zero improvement. This horse was very sick. Being that there were no other medications I could give, I started doing my research, pulled him off of all drugs, supplements, etc and went a different path. So glad I did....after months of pulling my hair out, thousands of dollars spent, and facing the reality of having to retire a very talented 5 YO, I found something that solves breathing problems through proper nutrition and eliminating the inflammatory response that causes the mucous and the allergies. Soo in your opinion should people not use neubulizers either? Or inhalers? The unit I purchased does have a filter and came with 5 replacement filters, and two sets of hoses,cups. To be replaced periodically. I wash all items with antibacterial soap and hot water. Re Bag everything individually once dry, I even use gloves When setting up.
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| And can I ponyback on this post and ask a question? Has anyone experience with nebulizers say if they can cause bleeding?
I had a girl last week come to me terrified because her horse was bleeding heavily out his nostrils after a run. She did not know if it was lungs, sinuses, guttural pouch or what. She told me that she was told that he might bleed some after a nebulizer treatment but no mention was made about it happening after a run.
I told her that she might give her horse some antihistamine until she could get him to a vet to be scoped. Anyone else experience this? I have no idea why she has been using the nebulizer in the first place, we never had that conversation. | |
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Location: Southern Indiana | I have had the silver horse since March and have had no issues. In fact this past weekend our horses were stalled in a dusty barn at the show and it was amazing how much dirt a couple of the horses started blowing out. The other 2 didn't really do anything. I don't feel like they are a cure, but I do believe it helps clear out and open the airway.
I don't see how a nebulizer would cause a horse to bleed. They moisten the nostrils, which would help prevent bleeding. Just like when the weather is dry and your sinuses get dry and bleed. You would use nose spray or a humidifier to help. I do agree they can transfer bacteria and what not. It's hard to tell what caused the bleeding, that's something for a vet to answer. | |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | One of my horses has breathing issues and my friend has one and loves it. However reading what one of the posters stated about the dangers of micro bacteria, scared the heck out of me. I want my horse comfortable, but I'd rather have him cough than make him sick. I'm so on the fence about this. | |
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Location: NE Texas | Mainer-racer - 2015-09-25 8:09 AM One of my horses has breathing issues and my friend has one and loves it. However reading what one of the posters stated about the dangers of micro bacteria, scared the heck out of me. I want my horse comfortable, but I'd rather have him cough than make him sick. I'm so on the fence about this.
There are ways to treat the cough and the mucous that's causing it safely and effectively while actually improving other areas of your horse's health at the same. My horse has looked the devil in the eyes and lived to tell about it....couldn't even take a deep enough breath TO cough.  | |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | oh goodness believe me I have read everything you had said about that product!!! The season here is almost over and its like I don't want to make any changes till January. I believe I'm going to try it the supplement on him. The vet was out yesterday stating he may have early signs of COPD. I thought it was allergies. I appreciate you sharing your experiences - keep the updates coming. :) | |
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Location: NE Texas | Mainer-racer - 2015-09-25 8:38 AM oh goodness believe me I have read everything you had said about that product!!! The season here is almost over and its like I don't want to make any changes till January. I believe I'm going to try it the supplement on him. The vet was out yesterday stating he may have early signs of COPD. I thought it was allergies. I appreciate you sharing your experiences - keep the updates coming. :)
Just something to think about, the longer we let these COPD symptoms persist, the less likely chance we have of a full recovery due to scar tissue building in the lungs. I'm not trying to tell you to do this right now, I just wish I had found it before the condition I was dealing with was so advanced. | |
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