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CowgirlDDT
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2015-08-08 9:45 AM
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I understand where you are coming from. We are just on different pages. If you have a sublux and/or loose ligaments... You aren't going to be moving effectively in the first place. Superficial ice isn't going to help you alone, immobilization and rest can help in addition to the ice. But yet again, the chances of performing well in this state is little to none. Superficial ice won't solely solve a sublux or "loose ligaments" in itself.  I've had entirely too many patients with sublux's... Not happening. But once again, lord knows they should NOT be competing like this in the first place nor sound. The signs should be many. 


I am strictly talking about the use of BOT/heat prior to performance to help create relaxed muscles and also help decrease chronic soreness/pain. We are on different topics here. No amount of icing is going to quick fix a sublux- you are 100% right that we need taut tendons and ligaments as a support mechanism... But if someone is under the impression that you can ice them and voila! Not happening. They should be taut unless damaged and if they are... It requires much more than a quick ice before you run. Also- same principle, you aren't going cause "loose" "flaccid" ligaments and tendons from the use of BOT.  Instead you will create relaxed muscles and decrease risk of tears. I do appreciate the response though :
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-08 10:06 AM
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CowgirlDDT - 2015-08-08 7:29 AM

trickster j - 2015-08-07 10:48 PM
Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 8:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.
I bought a BOT shirt, and it made my skin feel like it was on fire when the sun was on me- (ouch).  I have yet to understand why anyone would want to heat their horses legs up with BOT before a race- it goes against any racehorse protocol I've ever heard.  I'd rather have tendons and ligaments cool and tight before a race, not loose and flaccid- jmho-
I think both products have their own pros and cons & work totally different. My horse loves her BOT & relaxes with it on- I can tell a difference when riding her afterwards. I think PHT has its place as well. However.... You have to understand how muscles/tendons/ligaments work. Why in the world would you want tendons and ligaments tight directly before intense movement?? I'm not talking about icing several hours before...that has its place no doubt, But not right before. The ice/cryotherapy/cold therapy relives acute pain and swelling.... That's the use for it. To make a muscle tight prior to extreme exercise is just begging for injury. Go ice your legs and immediately go run a marathon- you are WAY more susceptible to injury! Not only that but you can alter the gait if you did this before performance due to tightness. The heat relaxes muscles and therefore allows better movement... Thus the reason people use BOT prior to performance. You don't get "flaccid" from heat...

Flaccidity is related to tone, or lack thereof. Totally different statements there. Ice/cold is VERY effective but not prior to performance- heat would be much more beneficial & this is why so many choose that route

Pht does not tighten muscles and tendons
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CowgirlDDT
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2015-08-08 10:31 AM
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SG. - 2015-08-08 10:06 AM

CowgirlDDT - 2015-08-08 7:29 AM

trickster j - 2015-08-07 10:48 PM
Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 8:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.
I bought a BOT shirt, and it made my skin feel like it was on fire when the sun was on me- (ouch).  I have yet to understand why anyone would want to heat their horses legs up with BOT before a race- it goes against any racehorse protocol I've ever heard.  I'd rather have tendons and ligaments cool and tight before a race, not loose and flaccid- jmho-
I think both products have their own pros and cons & work totally different. My horse loves her BOT & relaxes with it on- I can tell a difference when riding her afterwards. I think PHT has its place as well. However.... You have to understand how muscles/tendons/ligaments work. Why in the world would you want tendons and ligaments tight directly before intense movement?? I'm not talking about icing several hours before...that has its place no doubt, But not right before. The ice/cryotherapy/cold therapy relives acute pain and swelling.... That's the use for it. To make a muscle tight prior to extreme exercise is just begging for injury. Go ice your legs and immediately go run a marathon- you are WAY more susceptible to injury! Not only that but you can alter the gait if you did this before performance due to tightness. The heat relaxes muscles and therefore allows better movement... Thus the reason people use BOT prior to performance. You don't get "flaccid" from heat...

Flaccidity is related to tone, or lack thereof. Totally different statements there. Ice/cold is VERY effective but not prior to performance- heat would be much more beneficial & this is why so many choose that route

Pht does not tighten muscles and tendons

I never said PHT did... I don't believe trickster did either? You might have read it wrong. The tightening was followed by the response to the race horse protocol which I'm assuming is cryotherapy.
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-08 10:57 AM
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 Thanks. I was just clarifying. 
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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2015-08-08 12:33 PM
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Kizzy_177 - 2015-08-08 7:03 AM The more info the better trickster j. Thanks! :)

You are welcome!  I think the BOT is fabulous on large muscle areas, btw- :
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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2015-08-08 12:36 PM
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CowgirlDDT - 2015-08-08 8:31 AM
SG. - 2015-08-08 10:06 AM
CowgirlDDT - 2015-08-08 7:29 AM
trickster j - 2015-08-07 10:48 PM
Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 8:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.
I bought a BOT shirt, and it made my skin feel like it was on fire when the sun was on me- (ouch).  I have yet to understand why anyone would want to heat their horses legs up with BOT before a race- it goes against any racehorse protocol I've ever heard.  I'd rather have tendons and ligaments cool and tight before a race, not loose and flaccid- jmho-
I think both products have their own pros and cons & work totally different. My horse loves her BOT & relaxes with it on- I can tell a difference when riding her afterwards. I think PHT has its place as well. However.... You have to understand how muscles/tendons/ligaments work. Why in the world would you want tendons and ligaments tight directly before intense movement?? I'm not talking about icing several hours before...that has its place no doubt, But not right before. The ice/cryotherapy/cold therapy relives acute pain and swelling.... That's the use for it. To make a muscle tight prior to extreme exercise is just begging for injury. Go ice your legs and immediately go run a marathon- you are WAY more susceptible to injury! Not only that but you can alter the gait if you did this before performance due to tightness. The heat relaxes muscles and therefore allows better movement... Thus the reason people use BOT prior to performance. You don't get "flaccid" from heat...

Flaccidity is related to tone, or lack thereof. Totally different statements there. Ice/cold is VERY effective but not prior to performance- heat would be much more beneficial & this is why so many choose that route
Pht does not tighten muscles and tendons
I never said PHT did... I don't believe trickster did either? You might have read it wrong. The tightening was followed by the response to the race horse protocol which I'm assuming is cryotherapy.
 Cryotherapy by means of Game Ready, but was also referring to cooling poultices like Sore No More or IceTight, along with other leg bracers/tendon tighteners....

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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2015-08-08 12:40 PM
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CowgirlDDT - 2015-08-08 7:45 AM I understand where you are coming from. We are just on different pages. If you have a sublux and/or loose ligaments... You aren't going to be moving effectively in the first place. Superficial ice isn't going to help you alone, immobilization and rest can help in addition to the ice. But yet again, the chances of performing well in this state is little to none. Superficial ice won't solely solve a sublux or "loose ligaments" in itself.  I've had entirely too many patients with sublux's... Not happening. But once again, lord knows they should NOT be competing like this in the first place nor sound. The signs should be many. 





I am strictly talking about the use of BOT/heat prior to performance to help create relaxed muscles and also help decrease chronic soreness/pain. We are on different topics here. No amount of icing is going to quick fix a sublux- you are 100% right that we need taut tendons and ligaments as a support mechanism... But if someone is under the impression that you can ice them and voila! Not happening. They should be taut unless damaged and if they are... It requires much more than a quick ice before you run. Also- same principle, you aren't going cause "loose" "flaccid" ligaments and tendons from the use of BOT.  Instead you will create relaxed muscles and decrease risk of tears. I do appreciate the response though :

Ugh- OK, so I risked being late to my first appointment this morning by typing out my previous response to you, and now I'm in for a quick coffee break before I go back.....  is there anything SPECIFICALLY that I can clarify for you?  I think we are more than just on just different pages......  I don't know how this conversation turned into fixing sublaxations with ice therapy, I thought we were just discussing maintaining and perhaps enhancing healthy structures?  If we are going to turn this into a "repairing an injury" thread I think out of courtesy for the OP we should start a brand new thread. 
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-08-08 12:42 PM
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Kizzy_177 - 2015-08-07 9:50 PM Thanks guys! These personal experiences really help! I also should have been more specific in my post, I guess I wasn't looking to compair them, but more, figure out which one I would use more... If that makes sense? I have read some people use their PHT during the week and then use BOT during a weekend show or before/after a run to help their horse recover quicker. I will say, I have BOT hock wraps and quick wraps and my old mare really seemed to love them, but the mare I'm riding now seems more irritable after I use them on her. Does that make sense? I guess if I'm going to spend the money on PHT stuff, I just want to make sure it's not going to make her more irritable as well... I appreciate all the input! Thank you!

It makes sense to me as some people love heat therapy while others, like myself, find it very irritating and I couldn't get a BOT knee brace off fast enough. So why would horses be different? You find what works for your individual horse, just like you would for yourself. 
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-08-08 12:44 PM
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Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 10:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.

Go get some of the Tommie Copper gloves. They have helped my hands tremendously. They offer both fingerless and ones with fingers. 
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rodeowithjoker
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2015-08-08 3:20 PM
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I have both, believe in both and use them both. Chance and Joker love the BOT sheets, probably because they're veteran horses who have some "old age" type muscle soreness and the BOT therapy seems to help that. They both lick their lips and get relaxed when I put the BOT sheets on. I also really like the BOT hock wraps on Joker pre-run.
Post-run, I will usually put the PHT sheet and 3-in-1 wraps on Chance after I cool him out completely and rub his legs down with Sore No More. I've also been rubbing his hips and shoulders down with SNM this summer and he seems to like that.
Clifford and Streak really like the PHT sheet. They'll start licking their lips as soon as I put it on, so I use it on Cliff pre-run. (Haven't been hauling Streak much this summer so there hasn't been any sharing going on)
I think you have to find out which your horse prefers and responds to. Joker doesn't respond to PHT at all and it didn't make any difference with Chance when I used it pre-run several years ago.
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Kizzy_177
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Posted 2015-08-09 11:48 AM
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Well, I've decided to start with a PHT poll pack. If she likes that, I guess I'll look into getting more goodies :)

My next question is, since she doesn't currently have any injuries, and I'm just trying to keep her strong, happy and healthy, how often or when should I use the PHT products? I don't want her to "depend" on the magnet therapy, and I've heard if they're over used, they come to depend on it? I really appreciate everyone's input!!! Just trying to figure out the best preventative maintenance, without irritating/overstimulating her... Hope I'm making sense!
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-10 11:30 AM
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Kizzy_177 - 2015-08-09 11:48 AM Well, I've decided to start with a PHT poll pack. If she likes that, I guess I'll look into getting more goodies :) My next question is, since she doesn't currently have any injuries, and I'm just trying to keep her strong, happy and healthy, how often or when should I use the PHT products? I don't want her to "depend" on the magnet therapy, and I've heard if they're over used, they come to depend on it? I really appreciate everyone's input!!! Just trying to figure out the best preventative maintenance, without irritating/overstimulating her... Hope I'm making sense!

PHT is a cummulative therapy  So the more you use it the better it works and the better your horse feels.  It will also mean faster recovery if you use it regularly 
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Ashton94
Reg. Feb 2014
Posted 2015-08-20 4:35 PM
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SG. - 2015-08-10 11:30 AM

Kizzy_177 - 2015-08-09 11:48 AM Well, I've decided to start with a PHT poll pack. If she likes that, I guess I'll look into getting more goodies :) My next question is, since she doesn't currently have any injuries, and I'm just trying to keep her strong, happy and healthy, how often or when should I use the PHT products? I don't want her to "depend" on the magnet therapy, and I've heard if they're over used, they come to depend on it? I really appreciate everyone's input!!! Just trying to figure out the best preventative maintenance, without irritating/overstimulating her... Hope I'm making sense!

PHT is a cummulative therapy  So the more you use it the better it works and the better your horse feels.  It will also mean faster recovery if you use it regularly 

How much is "regularly"? Like hours a day? What I I'm regarding from this conversation is that the more it's worn the more beneficial it is.
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-08-22 12:07 AM
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Ashton94 - 2015-08-20 4:35 PM

SG. - 2015-08-10 11:30 AM

Kizzy_177 - 2015-08-09 11:48 AM Well, I've decided to start with a PHT poll pack. If she likes that, I guess I'll look into getting more goodies :) My next question is, since she doesn't currently have any injuries, and I'm just trying to keep her strong, happy and healthy, how often or when should I use the PHT products? I don't want her to "depend" on the magnet therapy, and I've heard if they're over used, they come to depend on it? I really appreciate everyone's input!!! Just trying to figure out the best preventative maintenance, without irritating/overstimulating her... Hope I'm making sense!

PHT is a cummulative therapy  So the more you use it the better it works and the better your horse feels.  It will also mean faster recovery if you use it regularly 

How much is "regularly"? Like hours a day? What I I'm regarding from this conversation is that the more it's worn the more beneficial it is.

I'm thinking of the MagnaCu tendon wraps for my mare that has been diagnosed with soft tissue issues---tendons/ligaments/weak suspensory, etc. I asked question on another thread and was given good advice. But I now NOTHING about wraps or magnets or standing wraps!!!! Can someone knowledgeable give me a quick rundown on how it works, meaning how I apply it and can she be on complete turnout? Sorry for the dumb questions!
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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2015-08-22 12:23 AM
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Chandler's Mom - 2015-08-21 10:07 PM
Ashton94 - 2015-08-20 4:35 PM
SG. - 2015-08-10 11:30 AM
Kizzy_177 - 2015-08-09 11:48 AM Well, I've decided to start with a PHT poll pack. If she likes that, I guess I'll look into getting more goodies :) My next question is, since she doesn't currently have any injuries, and I'm just trying to keep her strong, happy and healthy, how often or when should I use the PHT products? I don't want her to "depend" on the magnet therapy, and I've heard if they're over used, they come to depend on it? I really appreciate everyone's input!!! Just trying to figure out the best preventative maintenance, without irritating/overstimulating her... Hope I'm making sense!
PHT is a cummulative therapy  So the more you use it the better it works and the better your horse feels.  It will also mean faster recovery if you use it regularly 
How much is "regularly"? Like hours a day? What I I'm regarding from this conversation is that the more it's worn the more beneficial it is.
I'm thinking of the MagnaCu tendon wraps for my mare that has been diagnosed with soft tissue issues---tendons/ligaments/weak suspensory, etc. I asked question on another thread and was given good advice. But I now NOTHING about wraps or magnets or standing wraps!!!! Can someone knowledgeable give me a quick rundown on how it works, meaning how I apply it and can she be on complete turnout? Sorry for the dumb questions!

Why don't you guys just call SG?  I'm sure her number came on the invoice with the items you ordered....   
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-08-22 2:39 PM
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Cause I haven't ordered anything! Trying to get info before I make up my mind
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-24 9:52 AM
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Chandler's Mom - 2015-08-22 2:39 PM Cause I haven't ordered anything! Trying to get info before I make up my mind

Myself or any of our dealers will be more than happy to visit with you via phone for more individual customer service. 
Our numbers are listed on our website
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