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PHT vs. BOT
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Kizzy_177
Reg. Dec 2011
Posted 2015-08-07 4:16 PM
Subject: PHT vs. BOT



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I recently started looking into therapies to help keep my ponies happier and healthier. I'm wondering what you use (and when) and why? Thanks in advance!
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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2015-08-07 4:41 PM
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 I bought a PHT sheet and my guy loves it!
He has to stand on concrete all day (with mats, but still), and I think it keeps him comfy. I was doctoring a spot on his butt and didn't want to get anything on the sheet, so he didn't wear it for about 4 days. I noticed he was starting to stock up some in his back legs, so I feel like that's proof it helped. Plus I just take off his halter and he sticks his head through the neck hole instead of trying to steal his neighbor's food.  He wears his sheet for around 12 hours a day. I like that I can leave it on for however long. 
I also have a set of 3n1 wraps but they haven't made it to the barn yet...hubby has been sleeping on one for his back!! Maybe T-Bo will get to use them one day haha. 

I think the BOT products also have a place, although I'm leery about using something that creates heat. It's so hot right now I wouldn't be able to use them at all. 

I can say my next purchase will be a PHT hood when I have some extra cash! That's how much I like the sheet!
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"Whiskey"
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2015-08-07 4:45 PM
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PHT!!!!! Have not been here in a long time but need give a shout out tomy PHT!
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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2015-08-07 5:14 PM
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BOT for my horse. He doesn't respond well to magnets. I use the BOT on me too. It really helps my back and shoulders.
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-08-07 5:40 PM
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I've been using PHT products before they changed their name to PHT. I can't handle heat therapy so the Draper and BOT didn't work for me as the heat made it worse.

Right now I have my 23 year old gelding in the PHT bell boots as he was walking stiff. He has been moving so much better and instead of walking slow into his stall at feeding time and he is now back into loping into his stall. 
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SKM
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2015-08-07 6:15 PM
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 I'm another one that was using PHT before they were PHT. Love their products! The new MagnaCu is a step above anything on the market. The stifle wraps have really helped my daughters made. I did research BOT (just because I like to keep up on things). PHT was just a better choice for me.
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WYOTurn-n-Burn
Reg. Sep 2004
Posted 2015-08-07 6:37 PM
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 <3 BOT.  I use it because my horse loves it and it works:)

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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-07 7:23 PM
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SKM - 2015-08-07 6:15 PM  I'm another one that was using PHT before they were PHT. Love their products! The new MagnaCu is a step above anything on the market. The stifle wraps have really helped my daughters made. I did research BOT (just because I like to keep up on things). PHT was just a better choice for me.

Thanks 
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-07 7:28 PM
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 You cannot compare these 2 products.  They are totally different
 
PHT does a lot more than just increase circulation www.phtmagnetics.com.  I have posted this several times before so I will post it again
First thing to remember is these are 2 totally different therapies and do totally different things.
 PHT Magnetic Products
Enhances ability of the body to remove toxins naturally
Improves circulation
Increases cellular oxygen
Reduces fluid retention...
Fight infection - enhances lymph flow
Helps to flush latic acid after workout
Supports biological healing
Reduces inflammation
Balances acid/alkaline balance
Relieves Pain
Our products are designed and developed with the following in mind.
Homeostatic processes act at the level of the cell, the tissue, and the organ, as well as for the horse as a ...whole.
Principal Homeostatic processes include the following:
1) Temperature Regulation
The horse's body tries to maintain a constant body temperature. An advantage of temperature regulation is that it allows the horse to function effectively in a broad range of environmental conditions. That thermal stability comes at a price, since an automatic regulation system requires additional energy. If the temperature rises, the horse loses heat by sweating, via the latent heat of evaporation. If it falls, this is counteracted by increased metabolic action, by shivering, and by thickening the hair coat.
2) Regulation of the pH of the blood at 7.365 (a measure of alkalinity and acidity).
3) Regulation of their blood glucose concentration
4) The kidneys are used to remove excess water and ions from the blood. These are then expelled as urine. The kidneys perform a vital role in homeostatic regulation in horse's, removing excess water, salt, and urea from the blood.
5) If the water content of the blood and lymph fluid falls, it is restored in the first instance by extracting water from the cells. The throat and mouth become dry, so that the symptoms of thirst motivate the horse to drink.
6) If the oxygen content of the blood falls, or the carbon-dioxide concentration increases, blood flow is increased by more vigorous heart action and the speed and depth of breathing increases.
7) Sleep timing depends upon a balance between homeostatic sleep propensity, the need for sleep as a function of the amount of time elapsed since the last adequate sleep episode, and circadian rhythms that determine the ideal timing of a correctly structured and restorative sleep episode
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All PHT Products are designed with these principals in mind.  Plus we are made in USA
BOT how it works

How Back on Track works
Back on Track's joint and muscle support are all made of functional textiles with heat reflective properties. The textile is a synergy of ancient Chinese experience and modern scientific textile technology. During the manufacturing of polyester- or polyester fibres, the ceramic particles are fused into the fibres. When heated, the ceramic particles radiate a heat back towards the body. This reflected heat is long-wave heat radiation, which is also known as long wave infrared radiation.

Heat Radiation
It is well established and documented that long wave infrared heat radiation increases the blood circulation. The increased blood circulation in the tissues helps to relieve muscles tension and improves performance. One important property is the injury prevention effect, which you get when the protections are used for training and competition

There is no "build up" of time when using PHT. No worry about outside temperature with any of our products usage.


PHT has also developed a new line of products called MagnaCu  They combine PHT magnetics and Copper infused fabric.  These two combined are fabulous at promoting healing and homeostasis  www.magnacu.com
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purplemoon828
Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2015-08-07 8:10 PM
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I use PHT and am a firm believer. My horses are calmer, quieter, and just seem overall healthier.

True Story: My daughters horse had a very strange injury in November. A piece of bone flaked off near his ear (inside mind you) and was putting pressure on the nerves causing paralysis of one side of his face. Similar to a stroke in a person. After reviewing the x-rays the diagnosis was fairly straightforward. Antibiotics and hope the nerves re-generate. Took the horse home and put him in a PHT hood slinkie. He wore it literally 24/7 almost for about 3 weeks. Low and Behold...weather it was drugs, luck, or magnets this horse made a full recovery and unless you knew you'd never be able to tell he couldn't blink his eye, move his ear, and that his whole lip on one side had lost control. Needless to say I believe it aided in his recovery and am a full on believer
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mreklaw
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2015-08-07 9:37 PM
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I have and use both. But I use the PHT more.
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-08-07 9:40 PM
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purplemoon828 - 2015-08-07 8:10 PM I use PHT and am a firm believer. My horses are calmer, quieter, and just seem overall healthier. True Story: My daughters horse had a very strange injury in November. A piece of bone flaked off near his ear (inside mind you) and was putting pressure on the nerves causing paralysis of one side of his face. Similar to a stroke in a person. After reviewing the x-rays the diagnosis was fairly straightforward. Antibiotics and hope the nerves re-generate. Took the horse home and put him in a PHT hood slinkie. He wore it literally 24/7 almost for about 3 weeks. Low and Behold...weather it was drugs, luck, or magnets this horse made a full recovery and unless you knew you'd never be able to tell he couldn't blink his eye, move his ear, and that his whole lip on one side had lost control. Needless to say I believe it aided in his recovery and am a full on believer

 Thank you for the update. I'm so glad it helped.  
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Kizzy_177
Reg. Dec 2011
Posted 2015-08-07 9:50 PM
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Thanks guys! These personal experiences really help! I also should have been more specific in my post, I guess I wasn't looking to compair them, but more, figure out which one I would use more... If that makes sense? I have read some people use their PHT during the week and then use BOT during a weekend show or before/after a run to help their horse recover quicker.

I will say, I have BOT hock wraps and quick wraps and my old mare really seemed to love them, but the mare I'm riding now seems more irritable after I use them on her. Does that make sense? I guess if I'm going to spend the money on PHT stuff, I just want to make sure it's not going to make her more irritable as well... I appreciate all the input! Thank you!
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Mind Bender
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2015-08-07 10:09 PM
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 I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.
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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2015-08-07 10:48 PM
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Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 8:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.

I bought a BOT shirt, and it made my skin feel like it was on fire when the sun was on me- (ouch).  I have yet to understand why anyone would want to heat their horses legs up with BOT before a race- it goes against any racehorse protocol I've ever heard.  I'd rather have tendons and ligaments cool and tight before a race, not loose and flaccid- jmho-
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barrelracr131
Reg. Aug 2011
Posted 2015-08-08 5:30 AM
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 I prefer BOT. It works well to help prevent sticking up at shows when stalled. The hock wraps help my horse warm up better in the winter, seemingly. I don't have a sheet. 

The only downside is that I will not use them during the heat of the day during the summer. 

My horse did not have any response to magnetic sheet. 

If i am looking for a cooling therapy, I stick with poultice or liniment, ice or cold hosing, etc. honestly, I feel these old methods are still the best. Jmho
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CowgirlDDT
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2015-08-08 7:29 AM
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trickster j - 2015-08-07 10:48 PM
Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 8:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.
I bought a BOT shirt, and it made my skin feel like it was on fire when the sun was on me- (ouch).  I have yet to understand why anyone would want to heat their horses legs up with BOT before a race- it goes against any racehorse protocol I've ever heard.  I'd rather have tendons and ligaments cool and tight before a race, not loose and flaccid- jmho-
I think both products have their own pros and cons & work totally different. My horse loves her BOT & relaxes with it on- I can tell a difference when riding her afterwards. I think PHT has its place as well. However.... You have to understand how muscles/tendons/ligaments work. Why in the world would you want tendons and ligaments tight directly before intense movement?? I'm not talking about icing several hours before...that has its place no doubt, But not right before. The ice/cryotherapy/cold therapy relives acute pain and swelling.... That's the use for it. To make a muscle tight prior to extreme exercise is just begging for injury. Go ice your legs and immediately go run a marathon- you are WAY more susceptible to injury! Not only that but you can alter the gait if you did this before performance due to tightness. The heat relaxes muscles and therefore allows better movement... Thus the reason people use BOT prior to performance. You don't get "flaccid" from heat...

Flaccidity is related to tone, or lack thereof. Totally different statements there. Ice/cold is VERY effective but not prior to performance- heat would be much more beneficial & this is why so many choose that route

Edited by CowgirlDDT 2015-08-08 7:38 AM
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trickster j
Reg. Nov 2007
Posted 2015-08-08 8:05 AM
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CowgirlDDT - 2015-08-08 5:29 AM
trickster j - 2015-08-07 10:48 PM
Mind Bender - 2015-08-07 8:09 PM  I am a cheapskate so I bought a pair of BOT gloves to see if they helped the arthritis pain in my hands.  So far, I have felt nothing.  Sleeping wrapped up in a PHT was relaxing and sleeping in the CuHorse is wonderful.  I need a second one for me.  As it stands, this one will not see a horse until an injury is better.
I bought a BOT shirt, and it made my skin feel like it was on fire when the sun was on me- (ouch).  I have yet to understand why anyone would want to heat their horses legs up with BOT before a race- it goes against any racehorse protocol I've ever heard.  I'd rather have tendons and ligaments cool and tight before a race, not loose and flaccid- jmho-
I think both products have their own pros and cons & work totally different. My horse loves her BOT & relaxes with it on- I can tell a difference when riding her afterwards. I think PHT has its place as well. However.... You have to understand how muscles/tendons/ligaments work. Why in the world would you want tendons and ligaments tight directly before intense movement?? I'm not talking about icing several hours before...that has its place no doubt, But not right before. The ice/cryotherapy/cold therapy relives acute pain and swelling.... That's the use for it. To make a muscle tight prior to extreme exercise is just begging for injury. Go ice your legs and immediately go run a marathon- you are WAY more susceptible to injury! Not only that but you can alter the gait if you did this before performance due to tightness. The heat relaxes muscles and therefore allows better movement... Thus the reason people use BOT prior to performance. You don't get "flaccid" from heat...

Flaccidity is related to tone, or lack thereof. Totally different statements there. Ice/cold is VERY effective but not prior to performance- heat would be much more beneficial & this is why so many choose that route
Lol- sorry, you misunderstood me.  I am not lumping tendon/ligament/muscle together when I say I want tight tendons and ligaments.  Of course tight MUSCLES under stress can be torn- the muscles and upper attachments of the superficial and deep digital tendons and suspensory ligament extensors and flexors need to be pliable in order to allow complete range of motion.  BUT the tendons and ligaments themselves need to be tight and toned, because their job isn't to create range of motion, but to support the structures they are attatched to- which are JOINTS.  Loose tendons and ligaments that are not supporting the joint areas will allow the joints to subluxate- or in layman terms, go "out."  The nuchal ligament that attaches the occiput to the atlas is a great example of this, once it is stretched by strain, the poll being "out" becomes a chronic issue.

Besides basic biomechanics, I'll also offer that a tight tendon and ligament will help your horse clock faster- think of the tendons and ligaments as springs (which they are, along with being supporting structures).  Which spring can reach further, a warm soft spring, or a tight strong spring?  This is the reasoning behind the Game Ready machines and the wrapping of legs in cool wraps pre race for track horses.  So not only will your horse be able to clock faster, he will also have less chance of tweaking, twisting, or stumbling on bad ground when his artificially warmed up tendons and ligaments give out on him.  

So I hope I have differentiated the difference between muscle, tendons and ligments.  Think soft supple muscle (for full range of motion), and tight strong tendons and ligaments (for support of joints).  And also when I say TIGHT tendon, I am not of course saying TIGHT in the extreme sense, just the TIGHT of where mother nature wanted it.  If the muscle attachement of the tendon is TIGHT, than that will create an abnormally TIGHT tendon and that could create a tear or strain on the tendon.  It's critical to keep MUSCLES healthy and free of restrictions and spasms in order for the TENDONS to REMAIN TIGHT and supportive as they were created to be.

I'm sorry for the capitilizations, I am not meaning it to sound like I am yelling, I just wanted to make sure that you could understand the biomechanics I am describing- OK, here's another- tendons and ligaments are essentially PULLEYS to LEVERS (Levers being bone).  Would you rather have a soft loose pulley, or a tight supportive pulley?  I hope some of that makes sense..

If nothing else, the take home message here is RELAXED AND NON-RESTRICTIVE MUSCLES and TIGHT< SUPPORTING LIGAMENTS AND TENDONS create a fast, happy horse who has a great chance of staying sound for a long time!  :)

ETA:  I should have also discussed the annular and check ligaments of the lower leg- and the importance of keeping those tight (supportive) as well.  When I get back from my morning appointments I'll be happy to go into that if you are interested- I've got some good illustrations saved in my files- Have a great day!  


Edited by trickster j 2015-08-08 8:37 AM
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Posted 2015-08-08 8:52 AM
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Kizzy_177
Reg. Dec 2011
Posted 2015-08-08 9:03 AM
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The more info the better trickster j. Thanks! :)
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