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Location: The edge of no where | Business is business. Like you said, your husband is still working to learn the ins & outs of the industry. Have you considered the fact that maybe the company isn't making enough to justify the son's position as well as your husbands? Cuts are tough and family will come first. Honestly, the business owner is being incredibly generous with his offer to give him a few months to find another job while he continues to pay him his regular salary. JMHO, but you're being awfully hard on him.
I've seen a lot of people be laid off on a Friday afternoon with no warning, it's just business. It's not personal. |
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| Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 10:21 AM
Tatum2 - 2015-08-17 9:52 AM
Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 9:17 AM
We are both Christian families (the owners and our family).
The owner just said he is letting my husband go because he prayed about it and God told him it was the right decision. The owner told my husband he needed to be doing ministry because he saw my husbands passion for it. However the owner was extremely unkind and unloving during thur process.
My husband would love to be doing ministry and we are hoping maybe that is the door that will open for us. But we have been praying ourselves and didn't feel it was time for him to end his career in HR and my husband and I were shocked at the news of being let go.
My husband really enjoyed his job at the company but we will just pick ourselves up and look at this as a positive thing not negative! The owner didn't have any substantial reasoning for letting him besides he had been praying and God told him. Which happened to be the same week I was faced with a scary surgery, we had family in town to watch our baby? I guess I don't see it the same way but good will come from it!
We hate to make too much trouble as we live in a remote area. We have decided to just move on kindly and quietly and hope for the best!
Personally, I don't see this as unkind or unloving during the process. Unkind to me would be that he fired him and told him good luck down the road but instead he gave him another job that has the same pay. That to me is extremely kind. Not many people are lucky enough to get that opportunity. And yes I'm sure it is his son wanted his old job back. Family business is exactly that Family first in the Business. They won't dump their own son (as most people won't ) into a job he hates so another person can have their job.
Good luck in the future it will all work out for you guys!
Don't get me wrong-him allowing him to work in the sawmill is very kind! But having a "I don't care attitude" about anything else in my mind is unkind! Let's just say that I would hope to have gone about it differently if I was put in his shoes. My dad is a very successful small business owner and I have never seen him uproot someone like this man did. Again we are very thankful for the continued opportunity just surprised at how he presented it. And yes he could have sent him out the door Friday but as a devoted christian man you hope he would have more tact. Which he did by allowing my husband to continue working but I would expect even more from him as a person/friend. Just a for warning or word of thankfulness towards my husbands hard work and $$$$ earned in sales.
Thanks for the good luck wishes!
You keep saying that the boss has not been Christian about this.
What about you?
From what you have written, I don't know how you can judge the boss.
In tough economic times businesses need to do what they must to stay afloat, it is business.
Unless you were there, you won't know exactly how it went down, your husband may not have acted entirely professional, it could have been the nonverbals the boss picked up on. |
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| It is very possible that he sent non-verbals! I am sure he acted upset.
As far as acting christian.. Yes we are disappointed but haven't struck out at this man at all. I came here for advice and encouragement because I would never want people to think badly of us for talking about it here in our town. Seemed like a safer place to vent here and people have given great insight! I appreciate all the great advice. And we will try our best to move forward. I do think others would also be shocked/disheartened in a similar situation. Yes we are grateful for the paycheck. But the owner knows the sawmill can be dangerous work specially for someone with little experiences. But hard work is good for people-we are not above that by any means!
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| MS2011 - 2015-08-17 10:27 AM
Business is business. Like you said, your husband is still working to learn the ins & outs of the industry. Have you considered the fact that maybe the company isn't making enough to justify the son's position as well as your husbands? Cuts are tough and family will come first. Honestly, the business owner is being incredibly generous with his offer to give him a few months to find another job while he continues to pay him his regular salary. JMHO, but you're being awfully hard on him.
I've seen a lot of people be laid off on a Friday afternoon with no warning, it's just business. It's not personal.
Yes we have thought about this and you are correct. Although the company is very financially sound and bringing in significant income per month, we also thought that the owner may not be able to justify paying two salaries if the son's job isn't working out. We understand that! |
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Location: Never in one place long | jbhoot - 2015-08-16 9:45 AM
The owner says "God told him" Ya right!!! To me what is really going on is the owner's son doesn't like the new job that Dad gave him and wants his old job back. In small business family always wins.
^^^ this exactly! He's using religion, playing the "God card" to get his way out of having to explain this and feeling guilty. Sounds like a very fake Christian man to me. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 10:38 AM It is very possible that he sent non-verbals! I am sure he acted upset. As far as acting christian.. Yes we are disappointed but haven't struck out at this man at all. I came here for advice and encouragement because I would never want people to think badly of us for talking about it here in our town. Seemed like a safer place to vent here and people have given great insight! I appreciate all the great advice. And we will try our best to move forward. I do think others would also be shocked/disheartened in a similar situation. Yes we are grateful for the paycheck. But the owner knows the sawmill can be dangerous work specially for someone with little experiences. But hard work is good for people-we are not above that by any means!
I don't think you've done or said anything wrong here. You needed to vent and to have a sounding board to help get some perspective. Totally understandable. I'd say most of us need to talk through difficult situations to get to the acceptance of what we know to be true but struggle to comprehend.
And let me tell you, my dad SUCKS at firing people. He doesn't like confrontation and doesn't want anyone to be mad at him, so he tends to not handle it as well as he should. And puts it off longer than he should. I still think the business owner intended kindness in how he went about this, but his execution was obviously lacking. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-17 10:51 AM
Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 10:38 AM It is very possible that he sent non-verbals! I am sure he acted upset. As far as acting christian.. Yes we are disappointed but haven't struck out at this man at all. I came here for advice and encouragement because I would never want people to think badly of us for talking about it here in our town. Seemed like a safer place to vent here and people have given great insight! I appreciate all the great advice. And we will try our best to move forward. I do think others would also be shocked/disheartened in a similar situation. Yes we are grateful for the paycheck. But the owner knows the sawmill can be dangerous work specially for someone with little experiences. But hard work is good for people-we are not above that by any means!
I don't think you've done or said anything wrong here. You needed to vent and to have a sounding board to help get some perspective. Totally understandable. I'd say most of us need to talk through difficult situations to get to the acceptance of what we know to be true but struggle to comprehend. And let me tell you, my dad SUCKS at firing people. He doesn't like confrontation and doesn't want anyone to be mad at him, so he tends to not handle it as well as he should. And puts it off longer than he should. I still think the business owner intended kindness in how he went about this, but his execution was obviously lacking.
Thank you!
And thank you for a good laugh! Lol.
I know it wasn't easy for him to fire my husband or demote him. And I have realized so many good things about the situation from all you board buddies! I am so thankful for your perspectives! And I am thankful I came here instead of friends around home. I would never want the owner to think we were gossiping about them but venting to you all sure felt good! |
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Location: So. California | Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 8:55 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-17 10:51 AM Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 10:38 AM It is very possible that he sent non-verbals! I am sure he acted upset. As far as acting christian.. Yes we are disappointed but haven't struck out at this man at all. I came here for advice and encouragement because I would never want people to think badly of us for talking about it here in our town. Seemed like a safer place to vent here and people have given great insight! I appreciate all the great advice. And we will try our best to move forward. I do think others would also be shocked/disheartened in a similar situation. Yes we are grateful for the paycheck. But the owner knows the sawmill can be dangerous work specially for someone with little experiences. But hard work is good for people-we are not above that by any means! I don't think you've done or said anything wrong here. You needed to vent and to have a sounding board to help get some perspective. Totally understandable. I'd say most of us need to talk through difficult situations to get to the acceptance of what we know to be true but struggle to comprehend.
And let me tell you, my dad SUCKS at firing people. He doesn't like confrontation and doesn't want anyone to be mad at him, so he tends to not handle it as well as he should. And puts it off longer than he should. I still think the business owner intended kindness in how he went about this, but his execution was obviously lacking. Thank you! And thank you for a good laugh! Lol. I know it wasn't easy for him to fire my husband or demote him. And I have realized so many good things about the situation from all you board buddies! I am so thankful for your perspectives! And I am thankful I came here instead of friends around home. I would never want the owner to think we were gossiping about them but venting to you all sure felt good!
You are looking at this from YOUR perspective which is totally understandable.
Now, take a look at this situation from the owner/boss's perspective. He may need to reduce labor expense, his first priority is to keep his family employeed/earning money. Second priority is to other employees that are trying hard, but may not be meeting sales quota's or bringing in business at a level that would justify keeping that position open. Doesn't matter how "nice" or "christian" the employee is, are they bringing in enough business or increasing the profit margin to justify the position? Hard worker or not, the expense might not be justifiable and the boss may have been trying to make it work for months...
The cost of employee is more than just the salary $. It's insurance, workman's comp, federal taxes, etc... I think the boss handled it to the best of his ability. Business is business, it's not personal.
Although you (and your husband) may not like what has transpired at this company, it may be that God has something better in store and this is just a learning curve, stepping stone to the next pathway your husband is supposed to take. 
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Maybe this is the push that you guys needed for your husband to up his ministry. |
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Location: Texas | Just a word of encouragement for you:
Years ago, I was fired for unjust reasons but in a right to work state, it is what it is. I was shocked, hurt and dismayed. I filed unemployment and got it.
That gave me time to start a business I'd wanted to start for years but was too tied to a job to even consider it. I worked that business until I retired.
Maybe this is God's way of setting ya'll up for something bigger and better!!
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| Thank you all for helping me see the good and looking at it from the owner's standpoint! |
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Location: North Dakota | We are in the same boat! My husband was given two weeks notice only! We are selling our home and other assets and will be forced to start over! My husbands father passed away and had no insurance so we are broke and in serious debt due to paying for a funeral and now taking care of mother in law who doesn't have a job or the mental ability to hold one. When he lost that job we were living pay check to pay check, now we are forced to sell everything we own to pay off hospital so they don't take mother in laws house , which is also still mortgaged! I am sorry but all you can do is just keep moving forward and look for better employment. Sometimes we are forced to start over in life! Good luck!!! |
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| angelica - 2015-08-17 4:01 PM
We are in the same boat! My husband was given two weeks notice only! We are selling our home and other assets and will be forced to start over! My husbands father passed away and had no insurance so we are broke and in serious debt due to paying for a funeral and now taking care of mother in law who doesn't have a job or the mental ability to hold one. When he lost that job we were living pay check to pay check, now we are forced to sell everything we own to pay off hospital so they don't take mother in laws house , which is also still mortgaged! I am sorry but all you can do is just keep moving forward and look for better employment. Sometimes we are forced to start over in life! Good luck!!!
Best of luck to you!! Praying for you! It will all work out for both of us! |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-17 10:51 AM
Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 10:38 AM It is very possible that he sent non-verbals! I am sure he acted upset. As far as acting christian.. Yes we are disappointed but haven't struck out at this man at all. I came here for advice and encouragement because I would never want people to think badly of us for talking about it here in our town. Seemed like a safer place to vent here and people have given great insight! I appreciate all the great advice. And we will try our best to move forward. I do think others would also be shocked/disheartened in a similar situation. Yes we are grateful for the paycheck. But the owner knows the sawmill can be dangerous work specially for someone with little experiences. But hard work is good for people-we are not above that by any means!
I don't think you've done or said anything wrong here. You needed to vent and to have a sounding board to help get some perspective. Totally understandable. I'd say most of us need to talk through difficult situations to get to the acceptance of what we know to be true but struggle to comprehend. And let me tell you, my dad SUCKS at firing people. He doesn't like confrontation and doesn't want anyone to be mad at him, so he tends to not handle it as well as he should. And puts it off longer than he should. I still think the business owner intended kindness in how he went about this, but his execution was obviously lacking.
You absolutely said it the best! |
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Location: Arkansas | Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 1:07 PM
Thank you all for helping me see the good and looking at it from the owner's standpoint!
I think you have been quite respectful in everything you have said on here, and I think you made the right decision to talk about your feelings on here rather than your home town. Sometimes we just need to get stuff out of our system and hopefully let our peers make us feel better!! Good luck to your family in the next situation God provides for you.
To Angelica----prayers for you and your family while y'all are going thru this tough time. |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-08-18 12:53 AM
Blueridgedreaming - 2015-08-17 1:07 PM
Thank you all for helping me see the good and looking at it from the owner's standpoint!
I think you have been quite respectful in everything you have said on here, and I think you made the right decision to talk about your feelings on here rather than your home town. Sometimes we just need to get stuff out of our system and hopefully let our peers make us feel better!! Good luck to your family in the next situation God provides for you.
To Angelica----prayers for you and your family while y'all are going thru this tough time.
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Now that we have had a few days to process the situation and after reflecting off of everyone here we feel much better!
We can see from the owner's standpoints his struggle to maintain his business. The only thing we wished was different is that he could have been honest and transparent in his reasoning. If the company can't afford my husband than just say that! Don't just say God told you-because we believe God would have shown us too!
Anyhow, bless you all! |
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