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| I have a four year old that needs to get his rear end underneath him and stop, a jr cow horse twisted wire is what he works the best in but it's not enough. |
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Location: Midwest | a bit doesn't collect a horse or put a stop on it... training does |
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| I agree. A different bit might get you a different response, as some horses prefer and work better in certain bits. But I'm no bit expert and can't tell you for sure which ones to suggest! But I would say to look at how you're riding. Are you consistent when you cue for the stop? How are your hands? Another thing I'd consider looking at is the hocks to make sure you don't have a pain issue. And finally, I've learned that some horses just aren't big stoppers. If it doesn't come naturally to them then you've got to really work on developing the ability to really get the hind end down. We have one that we're constantly working on this. I've had several people ask if he'd make a breakaway or heel horse, and I tell them no because he's just not a big stopper. Of course he could do the job, he just wouldn't be top-notch.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | While a bit can get a horse's attention, it doesn't make them stop, and will not put a good stop on a horse lacking in their foundation. When I'm riding one that needs work on their stop, I will repeat over and over, starting at a walk and working up: say easy, easy, then sit down, say whoa. If they don't melt into the ground, I push their butt into the bridle and softly bump one rein then the other. As soon as you feel them respond, you get quiet, even if it takes a couple of steps to complete the stop, and then stay sat down until they back up a step or 2. I don't want mine slamming into the ground, I want them melting into it and sort of keeping the front moving until the back end has them stopped.
The colt starter I use says the stop you put on in their first 30 days stays with them for life. I believe him! The mare I'm riding now that he started for me has been under saddle for 2.5 years and I have never needed to tune on her stop. She stops off voice, she stops if I sit down, and it is soft and balanced. That dude is magic or something. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Tin Can I feel your pain. I usually have my horses very light. Those riding behind me have issues with their hands and the horses mouths. Well, not on my four year old I'm riding now. He is riding in a med-high port bit with a twist to the shanks. He loves it. I still ride him for whoa every day that I work him. (I've been inconsistent-hopefully fall will bring consistent riding). He has what I call an old horse mouth. Back when I used to jump ride many horses at breed shows I felt many horses with this type mouth-I hated it and said when I get older and start my own...Well I think I may have moved the pendulum back to my youth on this guy. No one but myself or genetics to blame...
I ran lots of horses in a ported bit as a jump rider. I think I had lots of control and lightness that I needed to make quick and sharp turns. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2015-08-28 7:49 AM While a bit can get a horse's attention, it doesn't make them stop, and will not put a good stop on a horse lacking in their foundation. When I'm riding one that needs work on their stop, I will repeat over and over, starting at a walk and working up: say easy, easy, then sit down, say whoa. If they don't melt into the ground, I push their butt into the bridle and softly bump one rein then the other. As soon as you feel them respond, you get quiet, even if it takes a couple of steps to complete the stop, and then stay sat down until they back up a step or 2. I don't want mine slamming into the ground, I want them melting into it and sort of keeping the front moving until the back end has them stopped.
The colt starter I use says the stop you put on in their first 30 days stays with them for life. I believe him! The mare I'm riding now that he started for me has been under saddle for 2.5 years and I have never needed to tune on her stop. She stops off voice, she stops if I sit down, and it is soft and balanced. That dude is magic or something.
Those first rides are the most important, and I believe the driving that preceeds the rides is equally important. You make or break a horses confidence right from the start.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I agree - good breaking makes all the difference and is why it's so important to put a foundation on one.
Biggest thing I teaching one to stop is consistency and the timing of your cues. The last thing I do is pick up or say whoa. I sit and take a leg off first, then pick up last. At first I release when I feel them slow and pick up again until they stop. As they get better, I release only when they stop but as soon.As they do.
I also back up a couple of steps and then sit for at least 30 seconds, a lot of times longer. I do that every single time. You make whoa something to look forward to they'll stop.
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| I just bought the horse he was spur stopped and sticks his head between his legs i guess what i really need is a bit that will elevate his shoulders.  |
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| a loose ring dog bone snaffle.... Just saying. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | tin can - 2015-08-28 8:35 PM I just bought the horse he was spur stopped and sticks his head between his legs i guess what i really need is a bit that will elevate his shoulders.
I'm not real sure what spur stopping is? There are alot of good traning videos out there on YouTube to watch |
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