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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2015-09-09 8:28 AM I've looked closely at this product. It seems to me that the the key ingredient might be the curcumin, which is found in turmeric. While most herbal remedies are, at best, weakly supported by good scientific evidence (clinical trials, etc...), turmeric is one herb that shows some pretty decent potential for possibly a wide range of disorders. My question is, how much does it cost per horse, per month? The next question is how much turmeric is enough for a horse, and would it be a lot less expensive to just give turmeric?
There is a product called Tumericle by Stance Equine that has turmeric, coconut oil, black pepper and resveratrol. The CO and black pepper is supposed to make the turmeric be able to be absorbed, otherwise it is not well utilized by us or horses. I have not tried it yet but I may try it this winter on a couple of horses that I have had on the Curost products. The Curost has helped two of my old kid horses when nothing else would but it is not cheap.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I looked at the pricing, and yes, it's not cheap. One bag of total support has 30 servings for $120. They recommend 2 servings a day. So basically this stuff costs $240 per month per horse, if you give it as recommended. We have 7 horses and they are all healthy. If we gave this to one, we'd give it to all of them......for roughly $1700.00/month. You can buy bulk turmeric powder and it's not terribly expensive. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Don't put to much stock in coat changes this time of year. They're growing new hair anyway, regardless of what you're feeding.
That said, I'm trying this on my horse with allergies. He had a gutteral pouch infection last year that was affecting his eyesight. He's started coughing during warmup again so I'm going to try to head it off and see what happens. | |
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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | One bag of Total Support will treat one horse for 30 days, at the maintenance dose, which is 2 scoops, once daily. It is recommended that when starting the product you do a loading dose of 2 scoops, twice daily, which will make a bag only last 2 weeks. Bear, you are correct, there is curcurmin in turmeric, but it's not pure curcurmin, nor can you be sure of the "grade" of the curcurmin. So basically there is no way to know indefinitely how much curcurmin and what the quality is if simply giving turmeric. I have a box full of turmeric if you'd like to do a test. I did one on another horse and didn't achieve the same results. I was curious too. :)
The Cur-OST is expensive, without a doubt, but once you try it on one horse....pick any horse, the one who you have to do the most vet work on, whether it be injections, ulcers, etc.....and try it. Yes, my horse was extremely ill, and this was literally a last resort for me after taking him to 4 different very competant vets and completely exceeding their treatment options. None of them could give me anything else to try. I had to swallow hard when I bought that first 2 weeks supply of the Cur-OST, but i'm so happy I did, as it has truly saved my horses life and he's a completely different horse, for the better, than before he became so sick. This isn't just a supplement, this is a miracle. I know your horses are healthy, but I would be willing to bet you that if you discontinued any supplements you're currently giving and tried this on one horse, that you would be amazed.
There are others who have used this on their horses who aren't dealing with any specific issues, and still the changes they noted are beyond anything they could have expected. Things we discount as quirks or strange personlity traits with our horses have been resolved. Horses that have been chronically ill mannered are now big love bugs. No more omeprazole, ranitidine, pre or pro-biotics, no more oral joint supplements, fat supplements, bute/banamine/dex/previcoxx, no more a pinch of this and a pinch of that.
Believe me, i'm the biggest supplement skeptic out there, but to call this a "supplement" is not even fair. I am taking the product too, and for someone who has had to live on Zyrtec D, benadryl, and steroid shots my entire life, I haven't bought one box of allergy meds this year. I'm a "proof is in the puddin" kind of person....heck, I named my horse "Actions Peak Louder", and this is absolutely a seeing is believing situation, and i'm not the only one who is reaping the benefits of this program now. I'd never wish on anyone to go through what i've been through with this horse, but i'm almost thankful at this point, as it's led me to Dr. Schell and this product. Through this, i've learned so much about how inflammation impacts both us and our horses, and i'm confident going forward that both my feed bill and my vet bills will drastically decrease. Is it expensive, yes....is it worth it.....unequivically YES! I will eat ramen noodles if it means my horses can have this product and remain on this program.
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| Herbie - 2015-09-09 7:15 AM
One bag of Total Support will treat one horse for 30 days, at the maintenance dose, which is 2 scoops, once daily. It is recommended that when starting the product you do a loading dose of 2 scoops, twice daily, which will make a bag only last 2 weeks. Bear, you are correct, there is curcurmin in turmeric, but it's not pure curcurmin, nor can you be sure of the "grade" of the curcurmin. So basically there is no way to know indefinitely how much curcurmin and what the quality is if simply giving turmeric. I have a box full of turmeric if you'd like to do a test. I did one on another horse and didn't achieve the same results. I was curious too. :)
The Cur-OST is expensive, without a doubt, but once you try it on one horse....pick any horse, the one who you have to do the most vet work on, whether it be injections, ulcers, etc.....and try it. Yes, my horse was extremely ill, and this was literally a last resort for me after taking him to 4 different very competant vets and completely exceeding their treatment options. None of them could give me anything else to try. I had to swallow hard when I bought that first 2 weeks supply of the Cur-OST, but i'm so happy I did, as it has truly saved my horses life and he's a completely different horse, for the better, than before he became so sick. This isn't just a supplement, this is a miracle. I know your horses are healthy, but I would be willing to bet you that if you discontinued any supplements you're currently giving and tried this on one horse, that you would be amazed.Â
There are others who have used this on their horses who aren't dealing with any specific issues, and still the changes they noted are beyond anything they could have expected. Things we discount as quirks or strange personlity traits with our horses have been resolved.  Horses that have been chronically ill mannered are now big love bugs. No more omeprazole, ranitidine, pre or pro-biotics, no more oral joint supplements, fat supplements, bute/banamine/dex/previcoxx, no more a pinch of this and a pinch of that.Â
Believe me, i'm the biggest supplement skeptic out there, but to call this a "supplement" is not even fair. I am taking the product too, and for someone who has had to live on Zyrtec D, benadryl, and steroid shots my entire life, I haven't bought one box of allergy meds this year. I'm a "proof is in the puddin" kind of person....heck, I named my horse "Actions Peak Louder", and this is absolutely a seeing is believing situation, and i'm not the only one who is reaping the benefits of this program now. I'd never wish on anyone to go through what i've been through with this horse, but i'm almost thankful at this point, as it's led me to Dr. Schell and this product. Through this, i've learned so much about how inflammation impacts both us and our horses, and i'm confident going forward that both my feed bill and my vet bills will drastically decrease. Is it expensive, yes....is it worth it.....unequivically YES! I will eat ramen noodles if it means my horses can have this product and remain on this program.Â
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Herbie didnt mention my name directly but she is referring to a couple of my horses in her post. I refused to buy the Total support for a long time as she will tell you. If you buy 2 bags at a time its 115 each. It costs me 230 a month for both my horses. My colt I might back off to ONE scoop a day just to see if I can maintain him. He has NO KNOWN issues. in that case one bag will last 60 days. My 10 year old with allergies, arthritis etc will keep getting the 2 scoops a day. Since starting curost however here is what I have saved
1. No more previcox before and after runs ( saves about 30.00 a month)
2. No more Ventipulman when he runs ( saves about 50-60 a month).
3. No more FORCO, Oral joint supplement, Pentosan injections, LEGEND injections, Polyglycan, Osphos, etc) (45 days now on curost and have not needed these items despite having to use them weekly). Saves about 250 a month.
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Location: North Dakota | Herbie, which products do you use yourself? If this would help me with my allergies and overall-body soreness-I might be sold on using it on my horse (and my Mom who suffers from terrible arthritis) | |
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| I have been following the Cur Ost threads, posts, and their website. So it is powder correct? Do picky eaters eat it? I have a mare that is TERRIBLE at even looking at anything with any sort of a loose supplement on it. Occasionally I even have trouble with pellets. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2015-09-09 9:57 AM Herbie, which products do you use yourself? If this would help me with my allergies and overall-body soreness-I might be sold on using it on my horse (and my Mom who suffers from terrible arthritis)
Hey, LMS, I am currently using the HU Ultimate and just received my first jar of the HU Immune. I will tell you that at first it was tough to get down, as the powder is a bit gritty. I finally got my mixture right and drink it first thing in the morning mixed with grape juice and water, about half and half. It's still gritty, but I just chug. HAHA | |
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Location: NE Texas | epoh - 2015-09-09 10:30 AM I have been following the Cur Ost threads, posts, and their website. So it is powder correct? Do picky eaters eat it? I have a mare that is TERRIBLE at even looking at anything with any sort of a loose supplement on it. Occasionally I even have trouble with pellets.
Hi epoh, yes, the product is a powder. My colt is a very picky eater, and has been able to pick out even the smallest thing out of his feed in the past. I believe he's always been a picky eater because he's always dealt with stomach and hindgut issues despite have been on Omeprazole, Ranitidine, or GastroPlus at long term doses. At first he was not sure about eating it, and I know others have dealt with this too. I went into panic mode and emailed Dr. Schell. He asked me to be patient. The first week, yes, my horse turned his nose up. At that time I was feeding Bluebonnet Omegaforce Intensify, slightly wetting it, mixing it up, then adding my product and mixing it up. For the first few days he would leave a good bit in his bucket, so I would just dump it in on top of his next meal. I didn't do the full 2 scoops, twice daily until I had him eating it well, then I started the true loading dose of 2 scoops twice a day. About 30 days into the program, I changed over to whole oats, and my horse never backed off. He would rather have his oats with his Cur-OST than his alfalfa and will not leave one grain of oats anywhere. He will lick his bucket literally and now is a voracious eater.
I know Flitastic has some issues getting her young horse on this program too at first. Him being off the racetrack, he was super picky about his grain with nothing in it as well, and he refused, but I think now he's in his bucket and licks it clean as well. Another friend of mine who has a picky eater started putting it in her soaked cubes and now her horse is eating it in whole oats as well.
So yes, at first it can be tricky with a picky eater, but just be patient and dump whatever he didn't clean up in on top of his next feeding and in a week I would bet he's eating it no problem, then start the loading dose.
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Location: Louisiana | Herbie, I have been meaning to tell you how Cooper's personality has changed. He was warming up to me finally before the cur ost, but now he would get in my lap if I let him. He runs and plays in the pasture like a 2 yo now too. Just lots of personality and very affectionate. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Wishful - 2015-09-09 11:25 AM thoughts on helping bleeders?
Without a doubt. Dr. Schell and I have discussed this briefly, but I think EIPH (bleeding) would be a great subject to post on www.secondvet.com to allow him to explain in more detail. I will quote Dr. Schell below in an email he sent me several months ago referenceing EIPH. Yes, it's ALL related!
" The race industry is very interesting to me. We did that study this past spring evaluating fecal bacterial levels in horses, mainly focusing on easy keepers etc, then making a connection with inflammation and associated conditions. I requested some samples from actively racing TB's and received about 9, which were not part of the study. I evaluated them and the bacterial counts were actually higher than the easy keepers, but the real interesting thing was that the overall bacterial population was reduced compared to normal. When you factor in the stress, commercial diets, ulcer meds and NSAIDs that these guys are on, it all clicks. The diet and stress contribute to the overgrowth of bad bacteria, and the ongoing use of the ulcer meds actually changes the pH to the point where normal good bacteria have a hard time thriving. Throw into this that in human research, the ulcer meds are connected with decreased nutrient absorption. When you combine that with inflammation, leaky gut and poor nutrient assimilation...it is a recipe for disaster. Bone fractures, tendon injuries...all tied into poor magnesium, calcium absorption and inflammation. EIPH linked back to inflammation and acidic body pH, linked back to the gut. " | |
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Location: Lala Land | I started the Immune for myself about 2 weeks ago, I have what they think is an allergy to leather (but never got patch tested) and will break out with small blisters on my hands. After taking it for a week they cleared up, I am absolutely sold. I am excited to get my horse started on this since he has a lot going on. 
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| Herbie - 2015-09-09 8:44 AM
epoh - 2015-09-09 10:30 AM I have been following the Cur Ost threads, posts, and their website. So it is powder correct? Do picky eaters eat it? I have a mare that is TERRIBLE at even looking at anything with any sort of a loose supplement on it. Occasionally I even have trouble with pellets.
Hi epoh, yes, the product is a powder. My colt is a very picky eater, and has been able to pick out even the smallest thing out of his feed in the past. I believe he's always been a picky eater because he's always dealt with stomach and hindgut issues despite have been on Omeprazole, Ranitidine, or GastroPlus at long term doses. At first he was not sure about eating it, and I know others have dealt with this too. I went into panic mode and emailed Dr. Schell.  He asked me to be patient.  The first week, yes, my horse turned his nose up.  At that time I was feeding Bluebonnet Omegaforce Intensify, slightly wetting it, mixing it up, then adding my product and mixing it up. For the first few days he would leave a good bit in his bucket, so I would just dump it in on top of his next meal. I didn't do the full 2 scoops, twice daily until I had him eating it well, then I started the true loading dose of 2 scoops twice a day.  About 30 days into the program, I changed over to whole oats, and my horse never backed off. He would rather have his oats with his Cur-OST than his alfalfa and will not leave one grain of oats anywhere. He will lick his bucket literally and now is a voracious eater.Â
I know Flitastic has some issues getting her young horse on this program too at first. Him being off the racetrack, he was super picky about his grain with nothing in it as well, and he refused, but I think now he's in his bucket and licks it clean as well. Another friend of mine who has a picky eater started putting it in her soaked cubes and now her horse is eating it in whole oats as well.Â
So yes, at first it can be tricky with a picky eater, but just be patient and dump whatever he didn't clean up in on top of his next feeding and in a week I would bet he's eating it no problem, then start the loading dose. Â
Both my horses are bucket lickers now.. Its banana flavored. I think it smells GREAT!!!! Took my colt about 3 days and now he DIGS for the curost first! | |
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Location: Midwest | The ingredients list is extremely vague. Do they have a breakdown somewhere of the individual ingredient dosages? How were these dosages established? What mushrooms were used in the creation of this product?
Is there anywhere to get additional specific information about this product?
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | As a "proprietary blend", the amounts of individual ingredients/nutrients aren't required to be disclosed. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2015-09-09 2:47 PM As a "proprietary blend", the amounts of individual ingredients/nutrients aren't required to be disclosed. True, but I was wondering if they were willing to share.
I doubt it, but worth asking. I did email the company as well. I'm guessing I won't hear back- eta since i sent through the website- I may try the forum if I get the time.
I don't plan on making the stuff in my basement BTW- I just would like to know how much curcumin is in a dose of this product, as well as how much of the vitamins. Herbs can and do interact with medications and curcumin is apparently a bloodthinner (according to some researching of the journals)... so just wondering.
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Location: Midwest | Herbie - 2015-09-09 2:51 PM Dr. Schell is a cancer survivor, and after going through chemo, he still wasn't doing well, so he began researching herbs and treating himself. This is how the product began, and yes, he still takes these forumlas daily. I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any questions you may have without releasing the proprietary information and his sources for ingredients. The links below will help explain how the product was formulated. This isn't something that came about simply as another way to scheme and get more money out of us horse owners. It was created out of necessity by Dr. Schell to restore his own health and save his own life. It wasn't until he perfected the product on himself that he then made the product available to his customers, and then the public. It's backed by researched and tested by rehab cases, his customers, and himself. There are no "fillers", there are no sythetics, what you read on the package is what is in there. Allison, believe me, I know it truly sounds to good to be true, but it's not. It literally is the best thing i've ever done for a horse in my life. I hope you'll read these articles.
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/339-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/340-my-cancer-story-thoughts-and-observations-part-two
Don't get me wrong- I don't think this guy is out there trying to fleece folks and I bet he stands behind his work.
Being in the science field I just like to look into the published research myself and know the details :)
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