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Location: MD | With the Paint market being as it is, I realize that breeding an APHA mare for sale purposes (of the foal) is not the way to go. I'm not really concerned with that. I do however, have a very nicely built Paint mare who has Equi-Stat verifiable 1D earnings, Pro Rodeo earnings and holds a few arena records. Her pedigree is without a doubt lacking, but her Dam was a nice barrel horse in her own right. While she meets some stallion owners' criteria for considerations, how much will her being APHA deter those considerations from being offered to her? |
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Location: Texas | PBRIP has made Paint horses much more in demand! Make sure you breed to color if your mare is a solid, so the foal will be eligible. |
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| We are breeding my main horse (no name pedigree) next year to a Firewater Flit QH stallion who sired a few NFR horses. She's solid sorrel paint and the stud is sorrel too (this mare MIGHT throw overo though, her mother and her brothers all are overos, not frame, but the other quirky gene). We aren't worried about color, although it would be nice to have a full registry paint for once. The mare and the stallion match up beautifully, and are both athletic suckers. If it's a filly, it won't be going anywhere, and a colt will be gelded, and probably won't go anywhere either. haha So we are breeding her because we love her mind, build, personality, and overall versatility, and we love the stud's mind, build, personality, and athleticism, the fact that he is very proven is a plus too though.
I wouldn't breed to sell with an APH, but keep in mind a QH sired paint will be more marketable than a APHAxAPHA paint. Especially if your mare is lacking the pedigree. You just don't find MANY paint studs that have enough to build onto a no name pedigree for market purposes. (I know several nice ones have popped up over the years, but QH's still reign supreme)
I think that since she is proven in the barrel pen, owners would probably consider a reduced fee without much of a second thought if the stallion is already APHA eligible. Those owners are usually more willing to mess with paint mares since their stallion is registered with APHA already. It all depends on the owner, so just ask. Worst they can say is no thanks.
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Location: Missouri | I have a 1-D paint mare as well and while I would love to have a full registered APHA baby, a solid bred paint isn't the end of the world and I would much rather have a baby that I am going to enjoy and meets my criteria than one who is register-able with certain associations. I don't really like any of the paint studs out there right now so I chose to go with an AQHA stud. It's really up to what you want to do. I don't plan on selling this baby so choosing an AQHA stud that I enjoy and fits my mare works for me. If selling the baby is your priority you may need to choose an APHA registered stud. The options are there but you do need to research and make sure they fit what you want to do with the baby. GOOD LUCK!! Hope to see you at world!  |
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Location: Tyler, Texas | I think a good mare is a good mare... I would not think the fact that she is APHA would deter any stallion owners from offering considerations. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Here's my opinion. I used to have a tobiano mare, she was APHA registered. She was superior in barrels and poles in APHA shows and a record holder in open shows. I now only have AQHA horses because the market sucked so bad for paint horses with no color I couldn't give them away. IMO everyone needs to breed a colored breed horse (when they are solid) to get the color back. Otherwise what is the point? Just buy an AQHA horse and don't worry about color.
Also IMO there are some VERY nice proven and well bred paint stallions out there WITH color. Breed to one of them and I BET they will give discounts to mares with proven performance history. I do with my AQHA stallion and most stallion owners do with the better mares. We want to put babies in the right peoples hands and how better to do that than by breeding mares with performance histories for people who have ridden them? |
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Location: Southern Oregon | OregonBR - 2015-09-04 8:46 AM
Here's my opinion. I used to have a tobiano mare, she was APHA registered. She was superior in barrels and poles in APHA shows and a record holder in open shows. I now only have AQHA horses because the market sucked so bad for paint horses with no color I couldn't give them away. IMO everyone needs to breed a colored breed horse (when they are solid) to get the color back. Otherwise what is the point? Just buy an AQHA horse and don't worry about color.
Also IMO there are some VERY nice proven and well bred paint stallions out there WITH color. Breed to one of them and I BET they will give discounts to mares with proven performance history. I do with my AQHA stallion and most stallion owners do with the better mares. We want to put babies in the right peoples hands and how better to do that than by breeding mares with performance histories for people who have ridden them?
I agree 100% with this! ...
I have a solid APHA mare....her dam is a sorrel AQHA rope horse and her sire is a Black and white APHA barrel horse. Her full siblings are all SORRELs other then her sister who is a Black and White paint as well. They are all outstanding barrel horses and/or rope horses. Once my mare proves herself and gets some more age on her, I would LOVE to breed her. I have already decided I would pick the best match up for her I can that is a colored APHA in order to try to get color and everything I want in a foal. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Any time you are breeding whether it is horses, cattle, dogs, pigs, sheep, etc., you, the breeder should be responsible enough to try to better the breed with the offspring and try to stay within the breed standards.
With Paints color is not everything but it is one piece of the puzzle. Just like pedigree is not everything if the horse is a conformation nightmare then it doesn't matter what the bloodlines are or you can have bloodlines, conformation and a terrible temperament. I for one know it is HARD to get the complete package when breeding animals but as breeders that is what everyone should strive for.
Breeding solid bred Paints to QHs is not improving the breed. Yes, you may think you will keep that foal forever but things change in a person's life and that foal/horse may need to be sold. Now where are you?? A solid colored Paint that needs to be sold, it better have one heck of a performance career going to bring any money.
I am seeing more and more GOOD Paint horses in all disciplines. I have always found it easier to sell Paints, as long as they have color, than QHs anyday here in the east.
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I AM being nice
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Location: MD | I get what everyone is saying when it comes to breeding solids, but that isn't the case here. The mare in question is Regular Registry and has plenty of color... |
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Location: Kansas | OregonBR - 2015-09-04 10:46 AM Here's my opinion. I used to have a tobiano mare, she was APHA registered. She was superior in barrels and poles in APHA shows and a record holder in open shows. I now only have AQHA horses because the market sucked so bad for paint horses with no color I couldn't give them away. IMO everyone needs to breed a colored breed horse (when they are solid) to get the color back. Otherwise what is the point? Just buy an AQHA horse and don't worry about color.
Also IMO there are some VERY nice proven and well bred paint stallions out there WITH color. Breed to one of them and I BET they will give discounts to mares with proven performance history. I do with my AQHA stallion and most stallion owners do with the better mares. We want to put babies in the right peoples hands and how better to do that than by breeding mares with performance histories for people who have ridden them?
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Location: Missouri | Not sure if this answers your question, but I was offered considerations for my APHA mare that has zero verifiable anything...they just liked her pedigree & photos, and I begged. lol!
(kidding about the begging...)
IMO, it's all about timing. The ones that I inquired about were wanting to break into the barrel racing scene. The offers were more b/c the foal would be in a performance home, I think.
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| hotpaints - 2015-09-04 2:16 PM
Any time you are breeding whether it is horses, cattle, dogs, pigs, sheep, etc., you, the breeder should be responsible enough to try to better the breed with the offspring and try to stay within the breed standards.
With Paints color is not everything but it is one piece of the puzzle. Just like pedigree is not everything if the horse is a conformation nightmare then it doesn't matter what the bloodlines are or you can have bloodlines, conformation and a terrible temperament. I for one know it is HARD to get the complete package when breeding animals but as breeders that is what everyone should strive for.
Breeding solid bred Paints to QHs is not improving the breed. Yes, you may think you will keep that foal forever but things change in a person's life and that foal/horse may need to be sold. Now where are you?? A solid colored Paint that needs to be sold, it better have one heck of a performance career going to bring any money.
I am seeing more and more GOOD Paint horses in all disciplines. I have always found it easier to sell Paints, as long as they have color, than QHs anyday here in the east.
I agree 100%. I bred my paint mare (grey overo) and had a discounted fee on a very nice, proven barrel winning producer, solid QH stallion. My mare hasn't won anything at all in the barrel pen but she has NRCHA winnings and the stallion owner says I'm good advertising. I got a very well put together bay overo who will gray out like her dam. She's very marketable in the case I don't keep her (which is my intention). |
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Location: Midwest | WrapSnap - 2015-09-04 2:31 PM I get what everyone is saying when it comes to breeding solids, but that isn't the case here. The mare in question is Regular Registry and has plenty of color... Is she homozygous?
If she is built well and has verifiable earnings, I wouldn't think her pedigree and registry would deter a stallion owner... But I'm no breeder, so take that for what you will.
Edited by barrelracr131 2015-09-05 7:10 AM
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