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Location: NE Texas | Tdove - 2015-10-01 2:32 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-10-01 2:28 PM My horses look the best ever these past two years since I replaced their bagged feed with high quality alfalfa. They do get #1 or less of bagged feed per day, and that's so I can throw a teaspoon of mineral at them. The alfalfa I use is so high quality that I feel it's best to help balance the calcium:phosphorus in their diet. I'd love to find a natural source to balance the calcium:phosphorus, but I bet it would still be in a form that required that #1 of bagged feed to feed it out.
I have your answer for a balancer.....oats and flax!
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| Herbie - 2015-10-01 2:34 PM
Tdove - 2015-10-01 2:32 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-10-01 2:28 PM My horses look the best ever these past two years since I replaced their bagged feed with high quality alfalfa. Â They do get #1 or less of bagged feed per day, and that's so I can throw a teaspoon of mineral at them. Â The alfalfa I use is so high quality that I feel it's best to help balance the calcium:phosphorus in their diet. Â I'd love to find a natural source to balance the calcium:phosphorus, but I bet it would still be in a form that required that #1 of bagged feed to feed it out. Â
  I have your answer for a balancer.....oats and flax!
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| GLP - 2015-10-01 2:38 PM Herbie - 2015-10-01 2:34 PM Tdove - 2015-10-01 2:32 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-10-01 2:28 PM My horses look the best ever these past two years since I replaced their bagged feed with high quality alfalfa. They do get #1 or less of bagged feed per day, and that's so I can throw a teaspoon of mineral at them. The alfalfa I use is so high quality that I feel it's best to help balance the calcium:phosphorus in their diet. I'd love to find a natural source to balance the calcium:phosphorus, but I bet it would still be in a form that required that #1 of bagged feed to feed it out.
I have your answer for a balancer.....oats and flax! Yep, totally agree!
Hmmm . . . never realized that flax is so phosphorus heavy. I wish I could calculate how much flax it would take to get close to the ideal balance? I'd have to run some of this Montana alfalfa thru testing, but the rough estimate is 4:1 per the coop that sells it. My timothy should be pretty ok, and I know bagged feeds are now formulated in balance so the #1 daily of that shouldn't skew the balance either. So I'm just trying to balance 4-6# of calcium heavy alfalfa? At least I finally do have a good source of flax around here . . . I was years asking for it and now the coop is providing 30# bags at an affordable price. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Tdove - 2015-10-01 1:46 PM
What makes a reputable feed company? That is a very personal decision. Progressive is owned by Cargill, correct? Some people feel Cargill to be reputable and some do not, so that varies with the individual. Now.....Progressive boldy states, No Cereal Grains, such as corn, oats, or barley (like that is necessarily a good thing ) for their "Senior Formula Pellet" and "Premium Performance 8 Pellet". But wait, in their ingredient list, there is Dried Grains with Solubles. So, I would ask the question, how reputable is that? BTW here is where DDGS comes from: Distillers dried grains with solubles ( DDGS) is produced from the fuel ethanol industry and is available for inclusion in animal diets. So, it is made "from corn" at an ethenol factory making fuel. I don't want or trust that to be in my horse feed. http://www.prognutrition.com/pn/products/horse-feeds/premium-senior-horse-feed-formula-pellet/index.jspIn addition, many of their feeds have wheat middlings and soybean hulls as the first two ingredients, meaning that when you feed this feed, more than anything, the horse is eating wheat middlings and soybean hulls. When I look at the benefits listed no where does it tout either of these ingredients as a reason to choose the feed. To some that is not a big deal, to others it is. How many would go to the feedstore and buy a bag of wheat middlings or soybean hulls and feed it to your best horse? I would definately not.
https://uckeleequine.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/what-are-wheat-midds/
As wheat middlings are a large part of what make whole wheat bread better and more nutritious for you than white bread as the flour germ is actually low in nutrients and really only high in starch. Yes, I think I would want to feed my horse something that was high in nutritional value. Barring sensitivity, sounds like a solid feed base to me. Just as the skin of a potato contains the great bulk of its nutrient value, so too with wheat middlings. |
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Location: North Dakota | oija - 2015-10-01 3:52 PM Tdove - 2015-10-01 1:46 PM What makes a reputable feed company? That is a very personal decision. Progressive is owned by Cargill, correct? Some people feel Cargill to be reputable and some do not, so that varies with the individual. Now.....Progressive boldy states, No Cereal Grains, such as corn, oats, or barley (like that is necessarily a good thing ) for their "Senior Formula Pellet" and "Premium Performance 8 Pellet". But wait, in their ingredient list, there is Dried Grains with Solubles. So, I would ask the question, how reputable is that? BTW here is where DDGS comes from: Distillers dried grains with solubles ( DDGS) is produced from the fuel ethanol industry and is available for inclusion in animal diets. So, it is made "from corn" at an ethenol factory making fuel. I don't want or trust that to be in my horse feed. http://www.prognutrition.com/pn/products/horse-feeds/premium-senior-horse-feed-formula-pellet/index.jspIn addition, many of their feeds have wheat middlings and soybean hulls as the first two ingredients, meaning that when you feed this feed, more than anything, the horse is eating wheat middlings and soybean hulls. When I look at the benefits listed no where does it tout either of these ingredients as a reason to choose the feed. To some that is not a big deal, to others it is. How many would go to the feedstore and buy a bag of wheat middlings or soybean hulls and feed it to your best horse? I would definately not. As wheat middlings are a large part of what make whole wheat bread better and more nutritious for you than white bread as the flour germ is actually low in nutrients and really only high in starch. Yes, I think I would want to feed my horse something that was high in nutritional value. Barring sensitivity, sounds like a solid feed base to me. Just as the skin of a potato contains the great bulk of its nutrient value, so too with wheat middlings.
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Location: West Texas | Exactly why it is an individual choice and I do agree with your point. This is exactly why it is a personal determination and why I noted to some it is not a big issue while to others it is.
Where I thought it relevant to this topic is added vitamins and minerals. Whole foods contain more nutrients. When you heavily process, often times nutrients are lost and must be artificially added back in. This comes back to individual beliefs. I personally don't want wheat middlings as the main ingredient in my feed. It goes against my philosophy. I feel that if I would not buy it by itself and feed it, then I wouldn't want it in there, certainly not as the main ingredient. I also believe that the main ingredients in my feed should be some of the best and I would want to highlight it. And you may have a different opinion altogether. So for you, this might be opposite. In the end we are both right because what is best for you is what is most aligned with your position on the subject matter. Good discussion either way.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Tdove - 2015-10-01 2:32 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-10-01 2:28 PM My horses look the best ever these past two years since I replaced their bagged feed with high quality alfalfa. They do get #1 or less of bagged feed per day, and that's so I can throw a teaspoon of mineral at them. The alfalfa I use is so high quality that I feel it's best to help balance the calcium:phosphorus in their diet. I'd love to find a natural source to balance the calcium:phosphorus, but I bet it would still be in a form that required that #1 of bagged feed to feed it out.
I have your answer for a balancer.....oats and flax!
And I'm using stabilized rice bran with my alfalfa. If I needed more "fuel" oats would be in the mix too.
I don't have have a problem with dried distiller's grains btw, even tho it IS a by-product. It's the most nutritious part of the corn left after the starch has been removed, kind of similar to rice bran vs white rice. So I had rather feed that than regular corn. Not that starch is all bad, but corn in its natural form has one of the highest levels. |
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Location: Arkansas | Herbie - 2015-10-01 10:25 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-30 11:13 PM Herbie - 2015-09-29 2:20 PM kaleydanielle - 2015-09-29 2:06 PM herbie, so how do you be sure your horse is getting what it needs besides good quality forage? I was forced to find a better way, as I was looking at having to euthanize my horse.  I didn't go this route at first, as I too was skeptical, but I can tell you that if your horse's hindgut is working like it should, he will utilize everything he eats. I stumbled across the Cur-OST company when googling and trying to find ways to help my horse.  Dr. Schell, the creator of the product, is the one who I credit for getting me on this path and taking the time to explain things in terms I can wrap my pea brain around. Â
I have never tested my hay, but I do feed alfalfa once daily, 2 flakes (the other half of the day my horses go out on grass). I feed 1 pound of whole oats once daily and only use the oats as a medium in which to mix my Cur-Ost. The oats are not intended to be a source of nutrition necessarily. As far as me knowing if he's getting everything he needs......the proof is in the pudding for me. I know my horse and have seen him at his worst. So many of the issues we had even before he got sick are gone, and he's a completely different horse than before. We went on a trail ride this past Sunday and some of my friends who haven't seen him since last year were blown away at how different he is not only physically but mentally as well.Â
 Herbie, do you remember the admonishment from another post about only straight on shots of your horses from here on out? You have failed to comply. . . . 
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Location: Here | Longneck - 2015-09-30 10:46 PM Does anyone know if the Redmond blocks are synthetic? I have one out and both horses lick on it from time to time.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | SG. - 2015-10-02 6:03 AM Longneck - 2015-09-30 10:46 PM Does anyone know if the Redmond blocks are synthetic? I have one out and both horses lick on it from time to time. That is what. i have along with the loose
This is what we use as well and yes, they are naturally occuring minerals from the USA. |
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GLP - 2015-10-01 2:38 PM Herbie - 2015-10-01 2:34 PM Tdove - 2015-10-01 2:32 PM lonely va barrelxr - 2015-10-01 2:28 PM My horses look the best ever these past two years since I replaced their bagged feed with high quality alfalfa. Â They do get #1 or less of bagged feed per day, and that's so I can throw a teaspoon of mineral at them. Â The alfalfa I use is so high quality that I feel it's best to help balance the calcium:phosphorus in their diet. Â I'd love to find a natural source to balance the calcium:phosphorus, but I bet it would still be in a form that required that #1 of bagged feed to feed it out. Â
  I have your answer for a balancer.....oats and flax! Yep, totally agree!
Lonely Va... Try feedxl.com to help w your balancing. It's really easy and helpful, but w the new info on synthetic vit and minerals I don't know that I will be using it anymore. |
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| I have a question. I keep a 12:12 mineral out just in case. No molasses or sugar. The horses do sometimes lick it. Are they licking because or I always thought they licked it if they needed it? |
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| Breeze'sJockey - 2015-10-19 1:37 PM
What do you experts on this subject think of the supplement Source Miconutients that made w different types of sea weed??
I'm curious about this as well. I've looked into that a few times but never bought any. It's pretty inexpensive and from what I've read and reviews seems like it could be a good option. |
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| I fed it way back in the day - like the early '80's. I really liked it, the horses' coats were awesome and their feet were great. Fed it for several years and then the feed store quit feeding it and went with a new fad product. I actually have been thinking about using it on the young ones again if it is as cheap as it used to be, comparatively of course. |
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Location: North Dakota | Nevertooold - 2015-10-01 1:50 PM Herbie - 2015-10-01 10:30 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-01 8:30 AM Longneck - 2015-09-30 10:46 PM Does anyone know if the Redmond blocks are synthetic? I have one out and both horses lick on it from time to time. I think where minerals are concerned, there's no such thing as an actual synthetic mineral, it's just that the mined minerals are less bio-available than minerals eaten in your food. Supposedly. I keep loose minerals out and they eat the most when they have the least grass available.
Here in ND in the spring time and late fall my horses will go to the mineral tub more often. They have 40 acres of mixed grass pasture. I have always fed a loose mineral of some sort-depending on what is the "in" thing. Anyway I have always blamed the first grass-full of water and quickly growing-aka-lacking true nutritional value on the increase in the spring and as the pasture dries up and looses it's seeds in the fall I feel it looses its nutrients as well-just added the loose mineral to the bucket hanging on the fence last night. So for me NTO's statement is proof that forage is the key to mineral/vitamin stabilization. My horses will start getting some hay regularly here in the next week or two and they will back off on the mineral tub. |
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