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I Really Love Jeans
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Location: North Dakota | People do crazy things when they are depressed or extremely stressed out! It is her life and she can do what she wants as long as she is not endangering anyone! I agree with the person who said to get her another dog! Get her a smaller dog that can sleep with her and ride in the car etc... Just get her a puppy with a bow as a surprise! She may complain at first but she will grow to love it quickly! | |
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | Help will not work unless she is ready for it. It's attention seeking behavior...
Almost literally in the same spot. Really sucks. Best of luck to you and your family. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If I had to take a wild guess, I would say she's an addict. You already know she's been using Xanax for quite some time. Her behavior is reckless, self-destructive, and erratic. She's very depressed, and self pity is one tool that is frequently used by addicts. I'd say there is a pretty good chance that she has a poly pharmacy stash at home. If she complains of a lot of physical pain, there's a good chance she's a heavy opiate user. Addiction and depression often go hand-in-hand, as well as other psychiatric illnesses.
If she is an addict, you'll never get her to admit to it. Any attempt to do so usually results in some sort of diversion or deflection, often times hostility directed back at the accuser. I'm guessing she's emotionally very labile.
As a disease, addiction is very cunning, and so are addicts. They have an illness that tells them they don't have one. One additional clue might be found if you ask her whether or not she is having a lot of physical pain. If you do it with empathy and finesse, she just might let down her guard and open up to you. Ask it in a way that projects a sincere concern. If she admits to this, and, better yet, if she seems eager to dwell on her physical ailments, then you have reason to suspect narcotic/opiate abuse, etc...
Unfortunately, because of HIPPA laws, her doctor is very limited as far as what he can disclose or discuss with you without her consent. Still, I think it would be a good idea to call him and make your concerns known to him. Better yet, provide him with something in writing that outlines the basis for your concerns and suspicions. If possible, memorialize specific examples and documentation. That would add more incentive for him to look more closely at her. One thing he can do is run an online search that will tabulate her prescriptions, particularly of narcotics. All states have this sort of database available. You might discover that she has a history of drug seeking behavior, including ERs, clinics, and several doctors. This is an increasingly common problem, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen it. If she's ever picked up, a drug screen could be very telling and useful. As others have suggested, that might be a blessing for her.
Lastly, your family needs to realize that addiction is actually a "family illness" because it can literally tear apart the family fabric and cause emotional illness to become manifest in others.
Good luck. To be sure, the task at hand will be daunting.
ETA: I'd hold off on the puppy, until after she's gotten the help she needs. As much as I'd love to think that a puppy would help, I'm afraid it would prove futile, in the long run, without real tough love and help.
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| Bear - 2015-10-10 9:41 AM
If I had to take a wild guess, I would say she's an addict. You already know she's been using Xanax for quite some time. Her behavior is reckless, self-destructive, and erratic. She's very depressed, and self pity is one tool that is frequently used by addicts. I'd say there is a pretty good chance that she has a poly pharmacy stash at home. If she complains of a lot of physical pain, there's a good chance she's a heavy opiate user. Addiction and depression often go hand-in-hand, as well as other psychiatric illnesses.
If she is an addict, you'll never get her to admit to it. Any attempt to do so usually results in some sort of diversion or deflection, often times hostility directed back at the accuser. I'm guessing she's emotionally very labile.
As a disease, addiction is very cunning, and so are addicts. They have an illness that tells them they don't have one. One additional clue might be found if you ask her whether or not she is having a lot of physical pain. If you do it with empathy and finesse, she just might let down her guard and open up to you. Ask it in a way that projects a sincere concern. If she admits to this, and, better yet, if she seems eager to dwell on her physical ailments, then you have reason to suspect narcotic/opiate abuse, etc...
Unfortunately, because of HIPPA laws, her doctor is very limited as far as what he can disclose or discuss with you without her consent. Still, I think it would be a good idea to call him and make your concerns known to him. Better yet, provide him with something in writing that outlines the basis for your concerns and suspicions. If possible, memorialize specific examples and documentation. That would add more incentive for him to look more closely at her. One thing he can do is run an online search that will tabulate her prescriptions, particularly of narcotics. All states have this sort of database available. You might discover that she has a history of drug seeking behavior, including ERs, clinics, and several doctors. This is an increasingly common problem, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen it. If she's ever picked up, a drug screen could be very telling and useful. As others have suggested, that might be a blessing for her.
Lastly, your family needs to realize that addiction is actually a "family illness" because it can literally tear apart the family fabric and cause emotional illness to become manifest in others.
Good luck. To be sure, the task at hand will be daunting.
ETA: I'd hold off on the puppy, until after she's gotten the help she needs. As much as I'd love to think that a puppy would help, I'm afraid it would prove futile, in the long run, without real tough love and help.
This is my favorite post of yours to date. It was written with true empathy, knowledge, and consideration. Way to go Doc! | |
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I just read the headlines
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| classicpotatochip - 2015-10-10 10:43 AM
Bear - 2015-10-10 9:41 AM
If I had to take a wild guess, I would say she's an addict. You already know she's been using Xanax for quite some time. Her behavior is reckless, self-destructive, and erratic. She's very depressed, and self pity is one tool that is frequently used by addicts. I'd say there is a pretty good chance that she has a poly pharmacy stash at home. If she complains of a lot of physical pain, there's a good chance she's a heavy opiate user. Addiction and depression often go hand-in-hand, as well as other psychiatric illnesses.
If she is an addict, you'll never get her to admit to it. Any attempt to do so usually results in some sort of diversion or deflection, often times hostility directed back at the accuser. I'm guessing she's emotionally very labile.
As a disease, addiction is very cunning, and so are addicts. They have an illness that tells them they don't have one. One additional clue might be found if you ask her whether or not she is having a lot of physical pain. If you do it with empathy and finesse, she just might let down her guard and open up to you. Ask it in a way that projects a sincere concern. If she admits to this, and, better yet, if she seems eager to dwell on her physical ailments, then you have reason to suspect narcotic/opiate abuse, etc...
Unfortunately, because of HIPPA laws, her doctor is very limited as far as what he can disclose or discuss with you without her consent. Still, I think it would be a good idea to call him and make your concerns known to him. Better yet, provide him with something in writing that outlines the basis for your concerns and suspicions. If possible, memorialize specific examples and documentation. That would add more incentive for him to look more closely at her. One thing he can do is run an online search that will tabulate her prescriptions, particularly of narcotics. All states have this sort of database available. You might discover that she has a history of drug seeking behavior, including ERs, clinics, and several doctors. This is an increasingly common problem, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen it. If she's ever picked up, a drug screen could be very telling and useful. As others have suggested, that might be a blessing for her.
Lastly, your family needs to realize that addiction is actually a "family illness" because it can literally tear apart the family fabric and cause emotional illness to become manifest in others.
Good luck. To be sure, the task at hand will be daunting.
ETA: I'd hold off on the puppy, until after she's gotten the help she needs. As much as I'd love to think that a puppy would help, I'm afraid it would prove futile, in the long run, without real tough love and help.
This is my favorite post of yours to date. It was written with true empathy, knowledge, and consideration. Way to go Doc!
I agree, great post, lots of information given with great empathy. | |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Everything Doc said! She sounds like she has an addiction to the pills. Add in alcohol and you have a complete mess. How long has she been drinking? How long has she been taking the pills? If you ask, she mostly likely won't be truthful about it, not so much that she wants to lie to you, but she is lying to herself. 
In addition to what doc said, what you can do is call your the local AA hotline and see if you can have someone come over and do a 12 step call on her. If that isn't possible, maybe you can attend some Al-Anon meetings to help you understand what addiction means, how it affects the family and what steps you do to deal with YOUR feelings.
Last you are NOT in control at all, neither are your siblings. She is an adult and gets to make her own choices, good and bad. Praying that you all find the peace you seek...
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Location: Minnesota | My father is Bipolar and has Alzheimer's. Every day gets a little worse and I have no clue "which dad" I will get when I talk to him. My father was also using Xanax. He is making irrational decisions and saying things that don't make sense. At some point you have to decide whether to continue to enable someone or make the hard decision to cut ties. I recently had a few things come to light about my father and I have not talked to him in about a month.
I'm sorry you are going through this, its a tough situation. Many hugs to you! | |
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 IMA No Hair Style Gal
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| I hate to hear that you are in this position. I do not believe you can get your mom checked into a mental health facility without her consent, unless she has literally broken down. My husband and I have found ourselves in similar situations with our parents.
When I was 16 my mom had her first mental break down, the police found her wandering around with $1,000 in her bible saying she was going to marry Jesus in another country. She spent a few weeks in the facility and was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Shortly after my parents got a divorce and my mom went down a rough path. Got involved in drugs, and started abusing prescription medication. I moved out and kept my distance, until about three years ago she had another mental break down and was also on a drug that showed up on her drug test when the police tested her. This time she was running from the police (didn’t realize it according to her) and they had to put stop sticks out to stop her. She actually ended up flipping her car over and wrecking….and landed herself in jail. From there she was signed into another mental health facility. And it was during this time that she actively received treatment for her bipolar diagnosis she had gotten about 10 years ago.
My husband’s dad also battled with mental illness, but never sought treatment. He said some pretty horrible things, so my husband nixed him from his life. Two days after Christmas his dad committed suicide.
So looking back on both situations here would be my advice to you:
Understanding mental illness is one of the HARDEST things to do, especially when you are not mentally ill. Make it a point to tell your mom you LOVE HER even when she makes bad choices. Looking back on what my husband and I have both gone through in both situations this is something we regret we didn’t do for our mentally ill parents.
My husband’s biggest regret is cutting his dad out of his life. When he gets emotional about it, he says I just wish I would have seen the bigger picture and understood the things he was doing were a cry for help, not a cry for being shut out.
Seek the input of a counselor to help you find your balance of what you can and cannot handle with your mom. As hard as it sounds, having a conversation about your concerns that you have posted here probably needs to happen with your mom.
Learning to forgive and love unconditionally will be your biggest allies in coming to terms with what you are going through.
I have had to learn to love my mom for who she is, and it did take me a long time to forgive her. But once I did those two things I am able to live a much more peaceful and fulfilling life. I want so much more for my mom….but she has to want it too. Her life will be so much more simple and basic than mine is, but I have also come to terms that it was the life that she has chosen to live, and I cannot control that. On a good note my mom is finally doing better than she ever has, but once someone has multiple mental breakdowns they never go back to the person they were before. Just find comfort in the fact that your family will find its way, unconditional love and forgiveness is key.
And….get her a dog. That was the best thing I ever did for my mom. Her dog Spur is her only companion, and he has brought a lot of joy to her life. We got her an older dog because she could not really handle the responsibility of a puppy. We do closely monitor his care, but for the past 3 years my mom has never skipped a beat in making sure he is taken care of. | |
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