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| FlyingJT - 2015-10-30 11:18 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-30 11:12 AM oija - 2015-10-30 10:57 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-30 8:23 AM turnnburnkota - 2015-10-29 2:36 PM komet. - 2015-10-29 12:13 PM But you MADE your money. You sold the pic, pocketed the money and now you want to gouge the person for more. Why can't you be happy that people show off your work and the capability of your equipment and maybe push more customers your way? I can tell you right now, the first time a photographer sues someone for posting a pic online, word will get around and their name will be mud and their services will be shunned. It's not gouging. A print and a digital file are separate products. So you buy the headstall, you can grab some reins on your way out? My website offers the option of purchasing a digital file for internet use. This is not the full-res file for printing (that one costs more because it prevents me from making any future money off that photograph ). At larger shows, I usually offer a deal such as including the internet-use digital file with purchase of an 8x10, or something like that. The photographer should be clear, but the customer should not feel entitled to steal. It is stealing. The file is a PRODUCT and takes away from future profit from the photographer. I can still sell prints off something I shot years ago, but I won't if the person is illegally making their own copies. Ah but you can only turn it into a neck stocking stufferce. A photo can be reproduced digitally over and over and over again. You get much more 'value' in terms of reproducability with anything that is copyrighted, thus the difference between intellectual property and real property. You can't copyright real property as it only exists in a tangible form but intellectual property can be reproduced almost infinitely. They are different mediums and thus different laws, etc., guide them. I have no idea why that says neck stocking stufferce. I've edited it a few times. I mean neck strap. It keeps correcting my edit to the neck stocking thing. Hmm.
S t r a p-o n turns into stocking stuffer. Someone with a sense of humor did that years ago. ha! now that is funny.. My friends daughter changed the auto-correct in my phone so that every time I type HOME it changes to Strip Club. There has been so many time that I have sent a text and not noticed and it says something like, Taking the kids to the strip club, meet you there... I haven't figured out how to remove it!!
hahahahahaha  your friends daughter is awesome
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| I did not know of this either, but then, I have never posted a pic on FB since I am a technotard and don't know how.
But here is one thing that bothers me. Since I enter barrel races or am in any public venue or place, ANYBODY has a right to take my picture? And do what THEY want with it? That just doesn't seem right to me.
Just sayin'........ I get a little upset when friends of mine post my pic on FB without asking me. I am a rather private person and it just bothers me (even worse when they put my personal business out there, like when I lost my mare. I know their intentions re good, but it's MY business, not theirs'). | |
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Location: lexington KY | For Diane, sorry forgot to quote:
Brent Puhl of Puhls Photography charges $4.00 for a low resolution photo for FB and other social medial outlets. I also said in a previous post, I was referring to a digital copy for FB, etc. I completely understand a high resolution photo for a print advertisesment being more, however the OP was talking about FB. I am sure there are photographers out there that charge a lot more, however Brent has always been very reasonable and I still see his photos stolen all the time.
If you go look through his gallery and go to "buy" a photo you have the option of the $4.00 download.
http://puhlsphotography.com/htdocs/gallery_index.htm
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-30 11:14 AM
Anyway, we're not talking about making copies, we're talking about using a purchased scanned photo for personal display on FB.
But many people advertise on their facebook and/or to sell horses. They will use those photos several times for those purposes. I don't agree with charging $50 or more for a digital copy UNLESS its a high res magazine quality photo BUT asking someone to pay 5-10 for a low res photo that you can reproduce anywhere with digital rights seems perfectly reasonable to me. My mom does photography and she has never charged an arm and a leg but selling copies of a picture and selling the actual file (used to be the same way with selling you a copy or selling you the negative) are two very different things. I know we think about photographs differently but its really no different than taking someone's novel, copying it, and selling it on Amazon as an ebook. You've stolen their production and offered it forward EVEN IF you offered the book for free. People have access to the material. Its not that different from plagiarism in my classroom either. The student may get the material on the internet for free, or even pay for a paper, but at the end of the day they have taken that material (stolen it) and carried it even a step farther when they represent it as theirs, even though they get no particular financial reward for turning in a paper. If you use a copy of a scanned photo to sell a horse, you do get a financial reward and are making money second hand off the photographer's work.
Taking pictures of someone and the rights to take a picture are a whole nother kettle of fish I'm not going to crack open. But I do understand the point of buying a digital copy so you can reproduce it freely. The law wouldn't exist in the first place unless tons of people were abusing it.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I agree using a pic in an ad without permission is wrong. That's no longer personal display. | |
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| wow well i went through and read everyone of the posts. i dont know of other photographers but i am an old barrel racer and i have always tried to keep my photo prices down to were people can buy them. when you get a picture from me you are buying the printed picture. now if you go and take a picture of it for on facebook go ahead, for a digital download for on face book i charge just $4.00. how many others do that ??? and for whoever said we just work 2 days and just at the show come on over, not only are we there from the time the first horse runs till the last but our bathroom and food breaks are at every big drag which sometimes dont come near quick enough. then after the show we get everything loaded to the website and hope that they are good enough that people will want them. what gets me the most are the ones that as soon as i get them loaded on my website they are screen shooting them for on face book. and then i hear o its no big deal. well sorry but to us it is.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | What has happened, continually, throughout this entire thread is that people are comparing apples to oranges……
You have the people who buy NOTHING and post pictures to their FB being compared to those who actually BUY one (OR MORE) pictures from a photographer and perhaps scan it into their own personal FB page.
The first is certainly in the wrong and it IS considered stealing…..the second are actually just misinformed and mean no harm and IF they are informed by the photographer that they can buy the digital copy for a “nominal” fee, they would, more than likely, do it…. | |
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| NJJ - 2015-10-30 3:22 PM What has happened, continually, throughout this entire thread is that people are comparing apples to oranges……
You have the people who buy NOTHING and post pictures to their FB being compared to those who actually BUY one (OR MORE) pictures from a photographer and perhaps scan it into their own personal FB page.
The first is certainly in the wrong and it IS considered stealing…..the second are actually just misinformed and mean no harm and IF they are informed by the photographer that they can buy the digital copy for a “nominal” fee, they would, more than likely, do it….
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Location: SE Louisiana | It's pretty simple. If you are a photographer... STOP POSTING YOUR WORK ON THE INTERNET!!!! Never mind screen-shots..Windows has a snipping tool.... Water marks??? I can use Winblows/Paint to do away with those.... No problem.... It takes 45 seconds for me and I'm NOT very good!!!! I'm not even a hacker and I can remove all proof that it's your photo... | |
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