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Location: In my own little world | I'm still not sold on the fact that it would be a soundness issue. Especially when you say it only happens at this one arena. It certainly could be but I would look at a lot of other factors as well. What is behind the 2nd barrel, are you rating it correctly, your body position and cues. And if I couldn't figure it out from watching videos of runs from that place then I would forget running there and save both you and the horse a lot of frustration and money. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-20 2:58 PM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-19 9:59 AM Hey guys. i havent been on in a while! been soo busy.
Anyway so i took some advice from yall and started doing basics again to to freshen him up and get him utilizing his body better as well as mine too. So i did slow work and drills for like 4 weeks(but it rained alot so now the only place i can ride is the road cuz he will all 4 shoes if i ride him in any type of mud.)
So at jackpots or any barrel race ive been going to at one of my fave arenas, hes been COMPLETELY ducking at the second barrel. I run him to the left. So i was HAULING A** in and he sat perfectly and we made a BEAUTIFUL first barrel then i look at my next pocket and get him over to the second barrel and right when we were about to turn the front side of the barrel, he shot on the wrong side.(i was using my feey and has his nose) He knows the pattern too. hes done this quite a few times. had him checked for soreness. None. had a theraplate and chiro session. checked his feet, his teeth, his back. But he never does this during slow work at home or at an other arena. Is it just that he is being sour? I was thinking i should take him to this arena and get like 6 exhibitions and run him in this arena and correct him everytime he ducks until he doesnt do it anymore. (to show him that im the boss and that everytime he ducks on a barrel hes gonna have to work his butt off.) ANy suggestions? i would attach a video but i can find one. ill post one when i find it. Thanks!
i agree we had a mare never ducked ever had her 5 years and she was a really nice mare went to clemson sc she ducked the second barrel was in shock
had our second run she place in 1 d
went back several months later dam if she did not do it again 2 nd run inhaled it and again place 1d
and she had been rodeo and horseshow every weekened prior it was a 2 time thing then never again
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| ropenrun - 2015-11-22 2:24 AM I'm still not sold on the fact that it would be a soundness issue. Especially when you say it only happens at this one arena. It certainly could be but I would look at a lot of other factors as well. What is behind the 2nd barrel, are you rating it correctly, your body position and cues. And if I couldn't figure it out from watching videos of runs from that place then I would forget running there and save both you and the horse a lot of frustration and money.
behind my 2nd barrel is the stands and the people sitting in them. I was rating him well and got his nose and tried to kick him past the barrel. I cant afford any soundness exam lol and my parents wouldnt let me do it. But when i first got him the vet drew blood and did a full vet check and he was %100 good to go. but that was like a year and a half ago. He isnt sore bc i do soreness checks on him atleast every other day. saddle fits. Ive have nice 5 star pad and he seems to love it. He isnt ever stiff. I stretch him before and after i ride him. I massage his back and loins and his butt and neck. i cold hose his legs after an intense ride. My farrier after every visit says hes good and not lame whats so ever. Maybe just not run at that arena anymore. Its not worth blowing him up. And if i ever do go to that arena i will just do slow work and nothing else. |
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| Do you have any idea what all can happen to a horse in that amount of time? I would save my money from entry fees and not ride the horse until he is checked out, you can certainly create problems that may not be fixable.
I thought about something else. How long has it been since this horse's teeth have been floated?
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| When I first started riding my four year old after I got her back from the trainers she ducked the second at one of the first shows I took her to. Trainer said when they're young and inexperienced if they get unsure or scared they will duck because they are wanting to get out of the arena. He said to slow her back down and build her confidence. I did and she never ducked again. |
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| streakysox - 2015-11-22 3:08 PM Do you have any idea what all can happen to a horse in that amount of time? I would save my money from entry fees and not ride the horse until he is checked out, you can certainly create problems that may not be fixable. I thought about something else. How long has it been since this horse's teeth have been floated?
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| FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-23 9:31 AM
streakysox - 2015-11-22 3:08 PM Do you have any idea what all can happen to a horse in that amount of time? I would save my money from entry fees and not ride the horse until he is checked out, you can certainly create problems that may not be fixable. I thought about something else. How long has it been since this horse's teeth have been floated?
 Yes just had them done like 2 months ago:)
We're they done by a vet?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When a horse starts ducking this is a problem that is hard to fix if its not taking care as soon as possible, I would be giving this horse a break, find a good lameness vet have it ckecked over and then if no problems find someone that can help you with this horse. But dont keep running this horse over and over in exhibitons that wont fix the problem. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-23 10:08 AM
 When a horse starts ducking this is a problem that is hard to fix if its not taking care as soon as possible, I would be giving this horse a break, find a good lameness vet have it ckecked over and then if no problems find someone that can help you with this horse. But dont keep running this horse over and over in exhibitons that wont fix the problem.
Ditto. I know you are young but find a way to get your horse seen by a good vet. A good horse can be ruined by being forced to run in pain. |
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| streakysox - 2015-11-23 9:59 AM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-23 9:31 AM streakysox - 2015-11-22 3:08 PM Do you have any idea what all can happen to a horse in that amount of time? I would save my money from entry fees and not ride the horse until he is checked out, you can certainly create problems that may not be fixable. I thought about something else. How long has it been since this horse's teeth have been floated? Yes just had them done like 2 months ago:) We're they done by a vet?
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| FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-24 9:37 AM
streakysox - 2015-11-23 9:59 AM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-23 9:31 AM streakysox - 2015-11-22 3:08 PM Do you have any idea what all can happen to a horse in that amount of time? I would save my money from entry fees and not ride the horse until he is checked out, you can certainly create problems that may not be fixable. I thought about something else. How long has it been since this horse's teeth have been floated? Â Yes just had them done like 2 months ago:) We're they done by a vet?
Vets are the WORST choice. I saw one vet get two done in 15 minutes. Equine dentists are far superior. Get the horse's teeth done by an equine dentist.
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| streakysox - 2015-11-24 9:48 AM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-24 9:37 AM streakysox - 2015-11-23 9:59 AM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-23 9:31 AM streakysox - 2015-11-22 3:08 PM Do you have any idea what all can happen to a horse in that amount of time? I would save my money from entry fees and not ride the horse until he is checked out, you can certainly create problems that may not be fixable. I thought about something else. How long has it been since this horse's teeth have been floated? Yes just had them done like 2 months ago:) We're they done by a vet? Vets are the WORST choice. I saw one vet get two done in 15 minutes. Equine dentists are far superior. Get the horse's teeth done by an equine dentist.
i am next time. i had just moved to a new barn and i hadnt got the equine dentist number that i used at my last barn. But he had ducked after he had gotten them done by an equine dentist too. Im thinking he just being a brat and is burnt out in this arena a little bit. |
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| FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-22 12:47 PM
ropenrun - 2015-11-22 2:24 AM I'm still not sold on the fact that it would be a soundness issue. Â Especially when you say it only happens at this one arena. Â It certainly could be but I would look at a lot of other factors as well. Â What is behind the 2nd barrel, are you rating it correctly, your body position and cues. Â And if I couldn't figure it out from watching videos of runs from that place then I would forget running there and save both you and the horse a lot of frustration and money.Â
behind my 2nd barrel is the stands and the people sitting in them. I was rating him well and got his nose and tried to kick him past the barrel. I cant afford any soundness exam lol and my parents wouldnt let me do it. But  when i first got him the vet drew blood and did a full vet check and he was %100 good to go. but that was like a year and a half ago. He isnt sore bc i do soreness checks on him atleast every other day. saddle fits. Ive have nice 5 star pad and he seems to love it. He isnt ever stiff. I stretch him before and after i ride him. I massage his back and loins and his butt and neck. i cold hose his legs after an intense ride. My farrier after every visit says  hes good and not lame whats so ever. Maybe just not run at that arena anymore. Its not worth blowing him up. And if i ever do go to that arena i will just do slow work and nothing else.
What soreness checks are you doing?
Are you checking the hocks? Have you flexed him? Myself, I can do a flexion test, but I cannot tell if they are a grade 1-3 lamness with the flexion. I have to send a video to my vet who then tells me if I am imagining things or if I need to haul the 4 hours down |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-20 8:49 AM Well the thing is he doesnt do it on the third barrel and his third barrel is the same turn as the 2nd. Also he doesnt hesitate or anything at all. Another thing he only does it @ Jeff SMiths arena in terrel. Never done it anywhere else(i haul him every other weekend for Highschool Rodeo and we go to differenct arenas.) And during my run i made sure if anything i sat down later to so he would maybe go past the barrel then turn
That doesn't mean a thing. I have seen lots of horses that would duck the second and not the third. The second is much more of a turn than the 3rd and soundness problems usually show up there. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2015-11-24 11:19 AM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-22 12:47 PM ropenrun - 2015-11-22 2:24 AM I'm still not sold on the fact that it would be a soundness issue. Especially when you say it only happens at this one arena. It certainly could be but I would look at a lot of other factors as well. What is behind the 2nd barrel, are you rating it correctly, your body position and cues. And if I couldn't figure it out from watching videos of runs from that place then I would forget running there and save both you and the horse a lot of frustration and money. behind my 2nd barrel is the stands and the people sitting in them. I was rating him well and got his nose and tried to kick him past the barrel. I cant afford any soundness exam lol and my parents wouldnt let me do it. But when i first got him the vet drew blood and did a full vet check and he was %100 good to go. but that was like a year and a half ago. He isnt sore bc i do soreness checks on him atleast every other day. saddle fits. Ive have nice 5 star pad and he seems to love it. He isnt ever stiff. I stretch him before and after i ride him. I massage his back and loins and his butt and neck. i cold hose his legs after an intense ride. My farrier after every visit says hes good and not lame whats so ever. Maybe just not run at that arena anymore. Its not worth blowing him up. And if i ever do go to that arena i will just do slow work and nothing else. What soreness checks are you doing? Are you checking the hocks? Have you flexed him? Myself, I can do a flexion test, but I cannot tell if they are a grade 1-3 lamness with the flexion. I have to send a video to my vet who then tells me if I am imagining things or if I need to haul the 4 hours down
I literally check his whole body. check pressure points, I flex him, See if there is ANY kind of negative responce. I massage wherever he is found sore or ice it or put linement or do a theraplate session. |
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| FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-24 2:53 PM cheryl makofka - 2015-11-24 11:19 AM FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-22 12:47 PM ropenrun - 2015-11-22 2:24 AM I'm still not sold on the fact that it would be a soundness issue. Especially when you say it only happens at this one arena. It certainly could be but I would look at a lot of other factors as well. What is behind the 2nd barrel, are you rating it correctly, your body position and cues. And if I couldn't figure it out from watching videos of runs from that place then I would forget running there and save both you and the horse a lot of frustration and money. behind my 2nd barrel is the stands and the people sitting in them. I was rating him well and got his nose and tried to kick him past the barrel. I cant afford any soundness exam lol and my parents wouldnt let me do it. But when i first got him the vet drew blood and did a full vet check and he was %100 good to go. but that was like a year and a half ago. He isnt sore bc i do soreness checks on him atleast every other day. saddle fits. Ive have nice 5 star pad and he seems to love it. He isnt ever stiff. I stretch him before and after i ride him. I massage his back and loins and his butt and neck. i cold hose his legs after an intense ride. My farrier after every visit says hes good and not lame whats so ever. Maybe just not run at that arena anymore. Its not worth blowing him up. And if i ever do go to that arena i will just do slow work and nothing else. What soreness checks are you doing? Are you checking the hocks? Have you flexed him? Myself, I can do a flexion test, but I cannot tell if they are a grade 1-3 lamness with the flexion. I have to send a video to my vet who then tells me if I am imagining things or if I need to haul the 4 hours down
Your attentiveness to your horse is to be admired. Think of it like this though, if what you are doing was working your issue would be resolved. He might need a real vet to look at him. |
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