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Location: West Texas | I think classicpotatochip hit the nail on the head.
I really like a lot of ground work. Done correctly it does make a difference, to is anyway. I like to think of it as setting a horse up for success. Everything we do in training a horse is to help it get things right the first time and always build on small successes. It doesn't matter what level of training one is at, you want to build on what was there before and make the next step a seamless natural development of what came before. This reduces problems and it increases confidence. In the end every horsemen "trains for try" out of the horse. I have quite a few sayings, another is "good horses make great trainers". I'll go ahead and post a video of a 3rd ride on a stud colt. He had extensive groundwork. Not every horse is this nice on the 3rd ride, some horses are better than others. I never meant to say a horse can't do well in a short amount of time. Most just don't have what it takes. And putting a solid foundation for a good handle, takes a bit more time, I think.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPWFfetNh0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6KSq4bt3EFs
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Location: Texas | rockinas - 2015-11-25 1:51 PM
Well believe it or not my trainer gets them riding them good in just 30 days and he doesn't like them handled a lot before he gets them. They are usually halterbroke and that's it.
Here's a 2 yr old DTF daughter he started for me last year, with 1 week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZ0jyKrgvg
And here she is with 25 rides. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklRtDgLMWs@ 30 rides he took her to the Black Hills Stock Show and used her in his horsemanship demonstration in front of a crowd of people, in the arena where they have the pro rodeo. She'd never been off the ranch prior to that.
I rode her another 2 weeks last spring, during calving, turned her out for the entire summer, been on her 30 days this fall, and she's already loping a perfect barrel pattern.
This is very typical of my trainer, and this is why I have this guy start my babies. He's fantastic.
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Location: Texas | I honestly get a lot done on two year old in a short amount of time. I have broke coming 2 year old to 10 years olds and I will tell you age makes a difference. When a colt is really young their flight or fright instinct is lower, they accept training more quickly. As horses get older that fright instinct gets way stronger. I don't ride the colts down for "wet saddle blanket" I choose to take things slow and let a colt digest what I'm communicating. Once you ride a colt for hours or whatever they aren't dialed into you anymore they are just out moving around. On top of that you can get a horse so sore riding them to much. It is not fair to judge or chastise this trainer bc he can't get a 3yr old "broke". Trainers are put under a microscope of what a horse should be to at a certain time frame. Unless you have broke horses it's easy to say oh this is where they should be. Every horse is different and you should realize that. I will say though in my years of training I have only ridden behind a couple of trainers that I was impressed by. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rockinas - 2015-11-25 1:51 PM
Well believe it or not my trainer gets them riding them good in just 30 days and he doesn't like them handled a lot before he gets them. They are usually halterbroke and that's it.
Here's a 2 yr old DTF daughter he started for me last year, with 1 week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZ0jyKrgvg
And here she is with 25 rides. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklRtDgLMWs@ 30 rides he took her to the Black Hills Stock Show and used her in his horsemanship demonstration in front of a crowd of people, in the arena where they have the pro rodeo. She'd never been off the ranch prior to that.
I rode her another 2 weeks last spring, during calving, turned her out for the entire summer, been on her 30 days this fall, and she's already loping a perfect barrel pattern.
This is very typical of my trainer, and this is why I have this guy start my babies. He's fantastic.
I've been watching Rodney for a few years now, thanks to you, Amy. I wish I would have known him a few years ago. He does such a fantastic job. I've learned so much....mainly that if a person is serious about the right foundation, then do a ton of research and be willing to pay a little more for the best. A lot of people wouldn't hestiate to spend $700 for a fancy tack set, or $3500 for a new saddle, then turn around and send their colts to the lowest bidder, Betty Barrel Racer, just on a random recommendation. The saying goes, "you get what you pay for", but I would add to that....IF you are lucky. | |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2015-11-25 3:56 PM
Liana D - 2015-11-25 3:39 PM Fairweather - 2015-11-25 2:41 PM Just curious how many trainers mentioned here have trained breeds other than stock horses that they're basing their times on. I've worked with Arabs, tb, Warmbloods, Gypsy Vanners, Lipazanners and a few others. IT doesn't matter to me how he's bred (pedigree ) or what breed he is. Each horse gets the time he needs. Period. 
I disagree breeding is very important to factor in on where you send your horse.
I am not talking about 2-3 generations back, I am taking sire and dam.
I had one mare who we traced back 3 generations of buckers all on the bottom side, my mares foals bucked, if you could get by them, they were amazing horses. I had two very nice barrel horses out of her, and some canners. I never furthered the line.
I have two colts by a stud who would kill you if he could, he was untrainable. The regular trainer I used told me they wouldn't fit into his program, I was sent to another trainer who did an amazing job on the first, couldn't get by the second, sent the second to an English trainer and now she is a dream.
Some bloodlines cannot handle certain training programs, as the horse owner, you need to know the horse you are sending to see if the horse and trainer are compatible | |
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Location: Texas | Who is your trainer in Texas? If my yearling filly doesn't sell soon, I will be looking for one in the near future. thanks NM I saw the videos & figured it out lol.
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Location: California | My mentor trains exclusively using Buck Brannaman/Ray Hunt methods and there hasn't been a single horse, no matter breed, age or how much they've been handled, that he couldn't ride in three days, or work them on the ranch in 30. NOW, I'm not saying myself or the owners could have some of those same horses working like that in that amount of time, but he is someone who has dedicated his life to this style of horsemanship. What I'm getting at is 30 days can have a horse far along-- no matter the background-- if the right training methods are utilized. | |
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| Wish we had a really good colt breaker on the east cost.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I agree with Bear, you get what you pay for. I too had a hard time finding someone to break my colt on the East Coast. I knew I couldn't visit reguarly and needed to do research. I sent her to OK and she'll be there for 5 months, yes expensive, but he has a wonderful reputation and updates me regularly. Research, RESEARCH, and research again! | |
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Location: West Texas | daisycake123 - 2015-11-27 5:57 AM
Wish we had a really good colt breaker on the east cost.
I bet you do.
The question being argued here is a mute point, really. How far along a horse is at 30 days is very subjective. Some trainers choose to get on sooner so that is time differentiation as well. Also, how much time does the person spend each day with the horse and what are the charges for doing so.
Bottom line is there are a lot of good trainers all across this country. Look for one with talent, knowledge, and honesty and you will most likely be happy with the results. There is nothing magic to training horses and most horses will learn at the pace that best suits them. EVERY good horse trainer I have ever met knows this. | |
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| Tdove - 2015-11-27 8:51 AM daisycake123 - 2015-11-27 5:57 AM Wish we had a really good colt breaker on the east cost. I bet you do. The question being argued here is a mute point, really. How far along a horse is at 30 days is very subjective. Some trainers choose to get on sooner so that is time differentiation as well. Also, how much time does the person spend each day with the horse and what are the charges for doing so. Bottom line is there are a lot of good trainers all across this country. Look for one with talent, knowledge, and honesty and you will most likely be happy with the results. There is nothing magic to training horses and most horses will learn at the pace that best suits them. EVERY good horse trainer I have ever met knows this.
Where they are in 30 days IS very subjective. Some look good and are showing everything they can do at 30 days. But some of them that may seem less far along may in reality just really, really have that base and advance by leaps and bounds in the next 10 rides or so.
WHAT they can do is only part of the question, how they are doing things is as important if not more so. Look at the willingness and softness of Amys colts vs some other vids posted. Rodney is freaky good for sure and it shows. His colts aren't busting out flying lead changes but they aren't trying them and doing them wrong. Instead they are soft, willing and ready to roll
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Location: In the wrong place at the wrong time | daisycake123 - 2015-11-27 6:57 AM
Wish we had a really good colt breaker on the east cost.
There is a really good one in PA.
Pm me if you'd like his info. | |
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