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Location: California | WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 10:24 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 12:16 PM WiscoRacer - 2015-12-04 9:02 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . . I didn't see Wrap say anywhere that she's an unruly horse... I agree she seems to have a bit of an attitude at times but not unruly. Stop trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Not everyone has to agree.
As the admin says, professional athletes and "journalists" get discussed all the time in other sports. I certainly take no offense to your opinion differing from mine. I just wanted to make sure that I got the point across that I don't dislike the mare, or her jockey.
We are good Wrap. It was completely directed towards the person trying to shut me and my opinion up. I welcome diversity! Just not select diversity like some would prefer  | |
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Location: MD | Nevertooold - 2015-12-04 1:03 PM
Andy, You're a very brave soul!
Probably more like a glutton for punishment, but enough people had reached out to me when I didn't do this last year that I felt like some might enjoy it again. | |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 1:06 PM
Nevertooold - 2015-12-04 1:03 PM
Andy, You're a very brave soul!
Probably more like a glutton for punishment, but enough people had reached out to me when I didn't do this last year that I felt like some might enjoy it again.
I think its great!!!! When I first watched Mary's run (whom I love) I thought she looked a tad off center... but after reading your analysis, it totally makes sense with the adjustments she was making. | |
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| *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | TXBO - 2015-12-04 11:17 AM
Well done Andy. Thanks for taking the time.
Yes, this! ^^ Thank you! | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you Andy for doing this and I agree with whomever said after reading your view on Mary Walker, when I go now go back and watch it I see things a little differently. Very helpful insights and I truly appreciate that you put yourself out there to help the rest of us. | |
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Location: California | TXBO - 2015-12-04 11:18 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | TXBO - 2015-12-04 2:18 PM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . .
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM
SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM
I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her!
I'm definitely not saying this is the case but I rode a mare that wouldn't turn well and would strong arm you and get the 'I got this' attitude when she was in heat. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | barrelracer1983 - 2015-12-04 3:24 PM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! I'm definitely not saying this is the case but I rode a mare that wouldn't turn well and would strong arm you and get the 'I got this' attitude when she was in heat.
And I had a gelding who would use my shins to knock barrels out of the pen if I tried to help him. #misogynist #****KnowItAllHorses | |
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| *almost there* - 2015-12-04 12:48 PM
WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 10:24 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 12:16 PM WiscoRacer - 2015-12-04 9:02 AM *almost there* - 2015-12-04 10:46 AM WrapSnap - 2015-12-04 8:28 AM SKM - 2015-12-04 7:12 AM I have to somewhat disagree on Fallon's run. She sliced first which caused her to come off. On second, Babyflo was wanting to turn too soon because of the bad line she had to take because of first so Fallon held her off with the outside rein. Whenever you tip the nose to the outside, it caueses the ribcage to follow and creates a reverse arch. It made Babyflo mad, hence the head shake and stumble as she had to quickly get the correct arch back in the ribs in order to turn. I don't disagree with your assessment. I also noted that having cut off her first barrel, she stepped off leaving it, which put her on a bad line going across the pen. Fallon actually did a great job of opening that left rein and attempting to lead BabyFlo onto a better line with time enough to have made it work better than it did. The mare's resistance to being handled is certainly nothing new. She's a very gritty, intense mare and I felt as though had she responded a bit better to Fallon's ride, there wouldn't have been a need for as many things to be happening when the second barrel turn started. Heck, even in some of her great runs, the mare still shows her intolerance of "Mom' trying to help her! Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse. But if memory serves, she did win the world last year, and not only did she win, she was one of the more dominate horses in that pen. . But what do I, or heck, Flo or Fallon know. . . I didn't see Wrap say anywhere that she's an unruly horse... I agree she seems to have a bit of an attitude at times but not unruly. Stop trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Not everyone has to agree.
As the admin says, professional athletes and "journalists" get discussed all the time in other sports. I certainly take no offense to your opinion differing from mine. I just wanted to make sure that I got the point across that I don't dislike the mare, or her jockey.
Not in the least trying to shut you or your opinion up! I did say in my original post that not everyone has to agree... My comment was more directed towards this sentence: "Wow Wrap, I must not have watched the same run Fallon made as you did. And it seems to me you already have your mind up BabyFlo is an unruly horse."
Just seemed like you added a little extra snark in there because he didn't agree with you. My bad if that wasn't the way you intended, but I wasn't the only one who noticed..
Edited by WiscoRacer 2015-12-04 5:49 PM
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Location: west of East Texas | Thank you Wrap for doing this. I certainly don't have the skills to see so many of the little influences of a run and it is very eye opening. Each one of them has their own style of riding just like the horses have their own style of running. I wonder if I would EVER be able to get Bling past a single barrel. It tires me out just watching that one. | |
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Location: Northwest Florida | Thank you for doing this WrapSnap I enjoyed the read. You did a great job of analyzing without the negative remarks and criticism.
Now hurry with Round 2 because I have 3 hours left on my night shift!  ha! | |
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