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Location: Texas | I looked at an old post about buying an OTT for a barrel prospect and it mentioned buying from an respectable trainer. My question is, if you don't have track contacts how do you know whether the trainer is reputable or not? What is the best place to look up information on the individual horse? |
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| There are a couple of different sites you can look up information on the horse including how many races. If possible, speak to the owner and/or trainer. Sometimes these horses are sold to other trainers who then sell them. I am happy to help if I can.
www.equiline.com (enter horses registered name and search)
www.equibase.com
https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/Registry.cfm?Page=irCommonCustom...
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No Tune in a Bucket
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Location: Texas | Is there a number of starts that would make you hesitate to purchase? Less than 10? More than 10? |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Since most horses are injected before every race (QH), I would prefer less than 5 outs. I would look up every race and see who the trainer was in each race, sometimes the trainer selling the horse did not train it and knows very little about the horse. Of course there are lots of program trained horses and in those cases the trainer on record may have never laid eyes on that horse until it comes up to be saddled for the race.
The best situation is if you can talk to the owner of the horse and get past vet records, maybe talk to the jockey that rode him the most, the riders will know how the horse acted to warm up and in the gates and how they felt when they pulled up after a race. Of course you probably won't be able to get all that info on a cheaper horse, but if I was spending over $5000 I would darn sure ask for it. |
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| are you looking to purchase a QH or TB?? I know about TBs but not QH. |
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No Tune in a Bucket
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Location: Texas | QH. Looking for a prospect to start for my granddaughter. Saw some interesting sale ads that were very reasonably priced and just wondered whether to take a chance. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have bought several OTT QH's and also spent a few years on the back side working at racetracks. This has lead to quite a few friendships with owners and race trainers. So when buying my off track prospects, I luck out there. I disagree with the statement that QH's are injected prior to every race. I feel like that's a broad and unfair statement. No trainer injects a horse just to inject a horse. Do some get injections? yes. But that would be something to ask the owner/trainer. Find out if they did, and for what reason.
The number of starts a horse has over its career isn't as important to me as how much time there is BETWEEN starts. I stray from anything that gets run back to back to back, etc. I've never bought anything off the track that I regretted. I've owned a few I didn't get along with or weren't the style I was hoping for, but sold them to the right people and they've gone on to fruitful and happy careers. Under a certain price range, I don't xray. I have a budget that I'm willing to "risk". But again, I also know and trust who I'm buying from.
If a horses pedigree and price seem "too good to be true" they more often than not are. Unless the seller discloses a vice or problem that reflects the discounted price tag and you're willing to deal with it. |
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 Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | shakeit0410 - 2016-01-20 1:30 PM I have bought several OTT QH's and also spent a few years on the back side working at racetracks. This has lead to quite a few friendships with owners and race trainers. So when buying my off track prospects, I luck out there. I disagree with the statement that QH's are injected prior to every race. I feel like that's a broad and unfair statement. No trainer injects a horse just to inject a horse. Do some get injections? yes. But that would be something to ask the owner/trainer. Find out if they did, and for what reason. The number of starts a horse has over its career isn't as important to me as how much time there is BETWEEN starts. I stray from anything that gets run back to back to back, etc. I've never bought anything off the track that I regretted. I've owned a few I didn't get along with or weren't the style I was hoping for, but sold them to the right people and they've gone on to fruitful and happy careers. Under a certain price range, I don't xray. I have a budget that I'm willing to "risk". But again, I also know and trust who I'm buying from. If a horses pedigree and price seem "too good to be true" they more often than not are. Unless the seller discloses a vice or problem that reflects the discounted price tag and you're willing to deal with it.
I have to disagree with your statement that no trainer injects just to inject. I do know trainers that inject every race. Do I agree with it...NO. If those grooms are doing their leg work a horse shouldn't need injected every race. |
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Location: North Dakota | total performance - 2016-01-20 1:35 PM
shakeit0410 - 2016-01-20 1:30 PM I have bought several OTT QH's and also spent a few years on the back side working at racetracks. This has lead to quite a few friendships with owners and race trainers. So when buying my off track prospects, I luck out there. I disagree with the statement that QH's are injected prior to every race. I feel like that's a broad and unfair statement. No trainer injects a horse just to inject a horse. Do some get injections? yes. But that would be something to ask the owner/trainer. Find out if they did, and for what reason. The number of starts a horse has over its career isn't as important to me as how much time there is BETWEEN starts. I stray from anything that gets run back to back to back, etc. I've never bought anything off the track that I regretted. I've owned a few I didn't get along with or weren't the style I was hoping for, but sold them to the right people and they've gone on to fruitful and happy careers. Under a certain price range, I don't xray. I have a budget that I'm willing to "risk". But again, I also know and trust who I'm buying from. If a horses pedigree and price seem "too good to be true" they more often than not are. Unless the seller discloses a vice or problem that reflects the discounted price tag and you're willing to deal with it.
I have to disagree with your statement that no trainer injects just to inject. I do know trainers that inject every race. Do I agree with it...NO. If those grooms are doing their leg work a horse shouldn't need injected every race.
I guess I was referencing more along the lines of everyone doing blind injections. I felt like the statement that they get injected before every race made it sound like trainers operate under the mentality that "this is a racehorse, lets inject every joint just because we can". Broad statements like that give the racing industry a bad name. Unfortunately there are trainers that operate that way, but I don't feel its fair to gather everyone in the same group. Every trainer I've worked for or been around has felt justified in their injections. Does that mean the horse actually needed it? maybe not in everyone's opinion, but to them yes. They weren't out spending the owners money just because they could. |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | shakeit0410 - 2016-01-20 1:52 PM total performance - 2016-01-20 1:35 PM shakeit0410 - 2016-01-20 1:30 PM I have bought several OTT QH's and also spent a few years on the back side working at racetracks. This has lead to quite a few friendships with owners and race trainers. So when buying my off track prospects, I luck out there. I disagree with the statement that QH's are injected prior to every race. I feel like that's a broad and unfair statement. No trainer injects a horse just to inject a horse. Do some get injections? yes. But that would be something to ask the owner/trainer. Find out if they did, and for what reason. The number of starts a horse has over its career isn't as important to me as how much time there is BETWEEN starts. I stray from anything that gets run back to back to back, etc. I've never bought anything off the track that I regretted. I've owned a few I didn't get along with or weren't the style I was hoping for, but sold them to the right people and they've gone on to fruitful and happy careers. Under a certain price range, I don't xray. I have a budget that I'm willing to "risk". But again, I also know and trust who I'm buying from. If a horses pedigree and price seem "too good to be true" they more often than not are. Unless the seller discloses a vice or problem that reflects the discounted price tag and you're willing to deal with it. I have to disagree with your statement that no trainer injects just to inject. I do know trainers that inject every race. Do I agree with it...NO. If those grooms are doing their leg work a horse shouldn't need injected every race. I guess I was referencing more along the lines of everyone doing blind injections. I felt like the statement that they get injected before every race made it sound like trainers operate under the mentality that "this is a racehorse, lets inject every joint just because we can". Broad statements like that give the racing industry a bad name. Unfortunately there are trainers that operate that way, but I don't feel its fair to gather everyone in the same group. Every trainer I've worked for or been around has felt justified in their injections. Does that mean the horse actually needed it? maybe not in everyone's opinion, but to them yes. They weren't out spending the owners money just because they could.
Now I will agree with your statement that some trainers give the whole industry a bad name! |
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