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ThreeCorners
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Very interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7i3vdxUaM&feature=youtu.be
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Video interview with the fire marshall of Burns Or.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYSdFvB6YbA&app=desktop
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ThreeCorners - 2016-02-14 10:03 PM Video interview with the fire marshall of Burns Or.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYSdFvB6YbA&app=desktop

That was good to listen too.
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 You know, I see the family of Finicum is trying to organize a nationwide protest for LaVoy on march 5. While I understand the families grief and anger along with much of the country but I cant help but think it's a very bad idea at this time. Isnt it time for the family to step back, gather all facts and info and fight it out in a court of law?
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ThreeCorners - 2016-02-16 7:26 AM

 You know, I see the family of Finicum is trying to organize a nationwide protest for LaVoy on march 5. While I understand the families grief and anger along with much of the country but I cant help but think it's a very bad idea at this time. Isnt it time for the family to step back, gather all facts and info and fight it out in a court of law?

I agree, but if they are so certain, why can't they do both?
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musikmaker
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Posted 2016-02-16 9:32 AM
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Bear - 2016-02-16 7:07 AM
ThreeCorners - 2016-02-16 7:26 AM  You know, I see the family of Finicum is trying to organize a nationwide protest for LaVoy on march 5. While I understand the families grief and anger along with much of the country but I cant help but think it's a very bad idea at this time. Isnt it time for the family to step back, gather all facts and info and fight it out in a court of law?
I agree, but if they are so certain, why can't they do both?

They're needing public support to get a full investigation...it's unfortunate and ignores individual rights and expectations that we must garner that public support because, although we're not a democracy, public sentiment seems to rule our world vs. right/wrong.

There's a lot going on behind the scenes and we (Americans) have everything to lose...alas, many feel that 'ignorance is bliss', others cannot comprehend how huge it is, still others refuse to believe that such evil manipulation exists . 
My favorite all time quote is:
"People are only capable of comprehending feelings in others that we feel in ourselves."
The majority of us are decent...our lack of accepting that evil exists opens doors for those who are not decent.
Idk...I wish it were simple.

 
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There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"?
We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
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Bear - 2016-02-16 3:04 PM

There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"?
We are supposed to be a nation of laws.

Your query illustrates just how far America has slid towards Totitaliarn (sp) Government which only a handful of individuals decide what is best for the majority of individuals. America is DONE!
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I am a little behind....was there an autopsy every released. If so, what did it reveal. If not, then WHY not?
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musikmaker
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Bear - 2016-02-16 3:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
Your query illustrates just how far America has slid towards Totitaliarn (sp) Government which only a handful of individuals decide what is best for the majority of individuals. America is DONE!
I don't understand it either...maybe because it's the 'federal government' and 'they' aren't 'us'?  I know we were led to believe that the gov't on all levels represent the people, however, there's a little 'glitch' when it comes to executive branch agencies...aside from the fact that they aren't part of our constitutional structure (then OR now), 'they' only answer to the potus. Oh yeah...'they' also have their own court system.
Yup. America is DONE.

Here's todays 'decision' by 'they' (we always wondered who 'they were? Now we know!), it would be hilarious if it weren't so serious...and I think any cowboy can see right through it?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/299471534/2-16-16-Doc-4-U-S-A-v-CLIVEN-BUNDY-USA-Detention-Memorandum-for-Cliven-Bundy


 

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Vickie
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Posted 2016-02-16 6:13 PM
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Bear - 2016-02-16 4:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.

We are a nation of laws.  But I am afraid that nothing is going to change some peoples minds.  They will believe what they want to believe because it fits what they want to happen.  Paranoida is not going to solve any problems.
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Posted 2016-02-16 6:26 PM
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Vickie - 2016-02-16 6:13 PM

Bear - 2016-02-16 4:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.

We are a nation of laws.  But I am afraid that nothing is going to change some peoples minds.  They will believe what they want to believe because it fits what they want to happen.  Paranoida is not going to solve any problems.

Those 'laws' this nation is supposed to be of, were original Constitutional. However, currently there are unConstitutional 'laws' along with agencies than there are Constitutional.
Think I am wrong? Then please cite Constitutional Authority for anything other The Department of Defense. Also why is there a Federal Reserve Bank when Congress is Constitutionally charged with the oversight of American Currency. I can continue with other non Constitutional offenses, but most Americans have no clue just what The Constitution actually authorizes! Wonder why that is? Maybe because The Constitution via Civics and American Government Classes no longer exist thanks to the non Constitutional Department of Education!
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musikmaker
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Posted 2016-02-16 9:57 PM
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foundation horse - 2016-02-16 5:26 PM
Vickie - 2016-02-16 6:13 PM
Bear - 2016-02-16 4:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
We are a nation of laws.  But I am afraid that nothing is going to change some peoples minds.  They will believe what they want to believe because it fits what they want to happen.  Paranoida is not going to solve any problems.
Those 'laws' this nation is supposed to be of, were original Constitutional. However, currently there are unConstitutional 'laws' along with agencies than there are Constitutional. Think I am wrong? Then please cite Constitutional Authority for anything other The Department of Defense. Also why is there a Federal Reserve Bank when Congress is Constitutionally charged with the oversight of American Currency. I can continue with other non Constitutional offenses, but most Americans have no clue just what The Constitution actually authorizes! Wonder why that is? Maybe because The Constitution via Civics and American Government Classes no longer exist thanks to the non Constitutional Department of Education!

 
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This is the power of federal agencies that are not a part of our constitutional structure. 
Just remember, the same executive overreach that can undermine the coal industry can also be used to undermine the smartphone industry. If you haven't read Tim Cook's letter to Apple Inc. customers on his company's commitment to protect privacy, it is worth a read.
Notable passages:
"But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create."
"Rather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority."
"Opposing this order is not something we take lightly. We feel we must speak up in the face of what we see as an overreach by the U.S. government."
If you know someone with an iPhone, make sure they read this:

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
http://constitution.findlaw.com/article3/annotation06.html

 
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Vickie - 2016-02-16 6:13 PM
Bear - 2016-02-16 4:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
We are a nation of laws.  But I am afraid that nothing is going to change some peoples minds.  They will believe what they want to believe because it fits what they want to happen.  Paranoida is not going to solve any problems.

 Exactly. Most people just watch main stream news and we all know the spin they put on things. They had these guys in a armed takeover,  terrorizing the town with their guns, and LaVoy dieing in a shootout. Yet, we all know they never pointed a single gun at a single person, people were coming and going from the refuge at all times including the media, and when they murdered LaVoy there was no "shootout". They were the only ones fireing shots and it was far from a routine "traffic stop".
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ThreeCorners - 2016-02-17 11:30 AM

Vickie - 2016-02-16 6:13 PM
Bear - 2016-02-16 4:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
We are a nation of laws.  But I am afraid that nothing is going to change some peoples minds.  They will believe what they want to believe because it fits what they want to happen.  Paranoida is not going to solve any problems.

 Exactly. Most people just watch main stream news and we all know the spin they put on things. They had these guys in a armed takeover,  terrorizing the town with their guns, and LaVoy dieing in a shootout. Yet, we all know they never pointed a single gun at a single person, people were coming and going from the refuge at all times including the media, and when they murdered LaVoy there was no "shootout". They were the only ones fireing shots and it was far from a routine "traffic stop".

I am quite certain, you left out the sarcasm emoticons.
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musikmaker - 2016-02-16 4:21 PM
foundation horse - 2016-02-16 2:11 PM
Bear - 2016-02-16 3:04 PM There's something wrong when they "need public support" in order to get a full investigation. What does that mean? We need demonstrations? Riots? More hostility? Petitions? Since when has it become necessary for the prevailing winds of public opinion to dictate whether or not justice will be served? What, exactly, is the threshold for getting a full investigation, and trial, if supported by the facts? Have we now devolved into a society governed by mob rule? Whatever happened to "due process"? Why do we even have a "Bill of Rights"? We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
Your query illustrates just how far America has slid towards Totitaliarn (sp) Government which only a handful of individuals decide what is best for the majority of individuals. America is DONE!
I don't understand it either...maybe because it's the 'federal government' and 'they' aren't 'us'?  I know we were led to believe that the gov't on all levels represent the people, however, there's a little 'glitch' when it comes to executive branch agencies...aside from the fact that they aren't part of our constitutional structure (then OR now), 'they' only answer to the potus. Oh yeah...'they' also have their own court system.

Yup. America is DONE.



Here's todays 'decision' by 'they' (we always wondered who 'they were? Now we know!), it would be hilarious if it weren't so serious...and I think any cowboy can see right through it?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/299471534/2-16-16-Doc-4-U-S-A-v-CLIVEN-BUNDY-USA-Detention-Memorandum-for-Cliven-Bundy




 

What a joke! You have an old rancher standing up for his beliefs and they deem him dangerous. You have Black Lives Matters and Al Sharpton and this goon...http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/farrakhans-call-to-kill-white-cops-is-it-legal/  And nothing is done. Follow the money and follow the ideology and you get your answers.

Just a side note...It's ironic how the Black Lives Matters and the Bureau of Land Management share the same intials of BLM. Both are total BS and both need to be stopped. They are the true violaters.

 
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Double standard.



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We have lost our freedom of speech when it doesn't agree with the Federal Government and groups like Black Lives Matter and other radical groups.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/22559-feds-jail-radio-host-sparking-free-speech-outcry

 
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