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Nevertooold
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lwagner - 2016-03-09 1:59 PM BTW, I have been an Educator for 27 years. I taught Kindergarten in a small rural school for 10 years and I have been a College Professor for the last 17 years. I teach people how to be teachers. I DON'T indoctorine anyone about anything. I am Professional and I take offense to anyone who questions my motives in the classroom. And in case your wondering I am also a very conservative Repilican and a Baptist. So you should think twice before you start judging other people. Flame Away

Seriously? Kindergarten in a rural area and now your are a professor. Says it all. What is a Repillican? I rest my case.

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lwagner
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I dare you to find one single teacher that is in favor of standardized teats. The only reason they use them is because the Gov. requires it. Its all about teacher accountability. If you want education reform, ask a teacher not a politican. There are much better ways to evaluate a students progress. Look up Authintic Assessment. As far as the curriculm is concerned, again out the teachers hands. They teach what they are told to teach. Usually the curriculm is decided on by what is on the tests. Who makes the test? Publishing Companies. Therefore who is determining what is included in the curriculm?
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lwagner - 2016-03-09 2:09 PM

I dare you to find one single teacher that is in favor of standardized teats. The only reason they use them is becauseΒ the Gov. requires it. Its all about teacher accountability. If you want education reform, ask a teacher not a politican. There are much better ways to evaluate a students progress. Look up Authintic Assessment. As far as the curriculm is concerned, again out the teachers hands. They teach what they are told to teach. Usually the curriculm is decided on by what is on the tests. Who makes the test? Publishing Companies. Therefore who is determining what is included in the curriculm?

I am asking a Teacher. YOU! What are Teachers doing to combat standardized testing?
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lwagner
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:12 PM
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My name is Laniece Wagner and I teach at Jefferson College in Hillsboro, Mo. Before that I taught at Lonedell Elementary in Lonedell, Mo. Look it up if you don't believe me. Sorry for the typos! 

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Posted 2016-03-09 2:16 PM
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Back on topic of this thread.

Per that cell phone video released on here and facebook, The Feds are NOT telling everything they know............................

Apparently there are reports that the Feds involved in this shooting are now under investigation. Gee Whiz! Will that bring LaVoy back????????????

How about some accountability to begin with from The Federal Government! The County Sheriff had jurisdiction over that event NOT The FBI or BLM! Neither of which are Constitutionally Authorized to begin with!
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FlyingJT
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:17 PM
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Nevertooold - 2016-03-09 2:07 PM

lwagner - 2016-03-09 1:59 PM BTW, I have been an Educator for 27 years. I taught Kindergarten in a small rural school for 10 years and I have been a College Professor for the last 17 years. I teach people how to be teachers. I DON'T indoctorine anyone about anything. I am Professional and I take offense to anyone who questions my motives in the classroom. And in case your wondering I am also a very conservative Repilican and a Baptist. So you should think twice before you start judging other people. Flame Away

Seriously? Kindergarten in a rural area and now your are a professor. Says it all. What is a Repillican? I rest my case.

I would be elated to have someone qualified enough to be a college professor be my child's Kindergarten teacher. Our children are influenced the most on who they are going to become at those young ages....
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FlyingJT
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:19 PM
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lwagner - 2016-03-09 2:09 PM

I dare you to find one single teacher that is in favor of standardized teats. The only reason they use them is becauseΒ the Gov. requires it. Its all about teacher accountability. If you want education reform, ask a teacher not a politican. There are much better ways to evaluate a students progress. Look up Authintic Assessment. As far as the curriculm is concerned, again out the teachers hands. They teach what they are told to teach. Usually the curriculm is decided on by what is on the tests. Who makes the test? Publishing Companies. Therefore who is determining what is included in the curriculm?

I am asking a Teacher. YOU! What are Teachers doing to combat standardized testing?

Why is it only up to teachers? As a parent, I find it's my responsibility as well, I am the one who chose to have a child....
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lwagner
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:20 PM
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You don't undrstand that teachers are contolled by their admin., school boards and Gov. What would happen to you if you refused to do what is required at your job? Thats like blaming a nurse for giving you a shot that the doc. odered. 
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Nevertooold
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:21 PM
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lwagner - 2016-03-09 2:09 PM I dare you to find one single teacher that is in favor of standardized teats. The only reason they use them is because the Gov. requires it. Its all about teacher accountability. If you want education reform, ask a teacher not a politican. There are much better ways to evaluate a students progress. Look up Authintic Assessment. As far as the curriculm is concerned, again out the teachers hands. They teach what they are told to teach. Usually the curriculm is decided on by what is on the tests. Who makes the test? Publishing Companies. Therefore who is determining what is included in the curriculm?

You're pretty much confirming everything I have said. Teachers are no longer teachers and the government is indocrinating kids through teachers by not allowing to teach them history etc. My grandson's school has gone to common core. What a joke. The parents are doing what they can to get common core out of their schools. Our daughter is a single mom so homeschooling is out of the question as she works a lot of overtime but is lucky enough to work at home.
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lwagner
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:27 PM
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I have 5 teaching certificates from the state of Mo. I would like to list them for you if your interested but I dont have time right now. I have to pick up my grandson from school. A school that I picked out for him to attend because I understand education a whole he!! of a lot more than you. When you have the same creditals or more than me maybe I will listen to your thoughts on education. Bye for now. I'll check back in again tomorrow.Have fun

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Posted 2016-03-09 2:45 PM
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lwagner - 2016-03-09 2:09 PM

I dare you to find one single teacher that is in favor of standardized teats. The only reason they use them is becauseΒ the Gov. requires it. Its all about teacher accountability. If you want education reform, ask a teacher not a politican. There are much better ways to evaluate a students progress. Look up Authintic Assessment. As far as the curriculm is concerned, again out the teachers hands. They teach what they are told to teach. Usually the curriculm is decided on by what is on the tests. Who makes the test? Publishing Companies. Therefore who is determining what is included in the curriculm?

I am asking a Teacher. YOU! What are Teachers doing to combat standardized testing?

Why is it only up to teachers? As a parent, I find it's my responsibility as well, I am the one who chose to have a child....

For the record:

My two Teenaged Boys (actually Young Men) have received innumerable accolades and comments on their behavior and general personalities. They need to have solid foundations in order to be able to learn in school. I will give you that. But when individuals such as I have described encounter subpar teachers, then there is a problem. And there are darn sure many subpar teachers in education today due to the idea of Teacher's Unions and Tenure. I have not been shy in calling teachers out who do not perform either...................
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Nevertooold
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:51 PM
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lwagner - 2016-03-09 2:27 PM I have 5 teaching certificates from the state of Mo. I would like to list them for you if your interested but I dont have time right now. I have to pick up my grandson from school. A school that I picked out for him to attend because I understand education a whole he!! of a lot more than you. When you have the same creditals or more than me maybe I will listen to your thoughts on education. Bye for now. I'll check back in again tomorrow.Have fun

You can get back to me when you figure out we are on the same page. The government needs to get out of the education business as they have failed.
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Posted 2016-03-09 2:56 PM
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To end this ****ing match over who's responsibility it is to educate our children and get back to topic, here is the video as well as an article on the investigation on the 5 FBI agents who are suspected to have orchestrated a cover up. This appears to be the same video that was circulating facebook for anyone who wanted to watch but doesn't have an account.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_f...

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cyount2009
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Posted 2016-03-09 3:06 PM
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AND what we have all been waiting for... the autopsy results.

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicu...
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Posted 2016-03-09 3:33 PM
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cyount2009 - 2016-03-09 2:06 PM AND what we have all been waiting for... the autopsy results. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicu...
 So.........unarmed.  And they cuffed him?!!!!!!!
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Nevertooold
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Posted 2016-03-09 3:38 PM
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cyount2009 - 2016-03-09 3:06 PM AND what we have all been waiting for... the autopsy results. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicu...
Did I miss it as I didn't read anything about him having a gun holster on?

Sad that most people really don't care.

 
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Posted 2016-03-09 3:42 PM
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Nevertooold - 2016-03-09 4:38 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-03-09 3:06 PM AND what we have all been waiting for... the autopsy results. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicu... Did I miss it as I didn't read anything about him having a gun holster on?



Sad that most people really don't care.


 

I noticed that too.  Because if he had it on, "they" should have left it.  But he didn't.   
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Nevertooold
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cyount2009 - 2016-03-09 2:06 PM AND what we have all been waiting for... the autopsy results. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicu...  So.........unarmed.  And they cuffed him?!!!!!!!

While this administration jumps out with conclusions about local LEO's doing their job and making them the criminals...our government has their own special of FBI elites killing an innocent man. Very scary. We can't get a new president quick enough and not one that is one of the good old boys in government.

 
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cyount2009 - 2016-03-09 3:06 PM AND what we have all been waiting for... the autopsy results. http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicu...
Did I miss it as I didn't read anything about him having a gun holster on?

Sad that most people really don't care.

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It was never stated the pistol was in a shoulder holster. From the very beginning it stated the weapon was in the inside breast pocket of his jacket. My husband, as well as a million other men wear that same blanket lined Levi jacket and I can tell you a copenhagen can barely fits in that thing, I don't even think you could put a subcompact in it. They said it was a 9 mm Rugar, no way am I believing that.

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Posted 2016-03-09 5:01 PM
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C'mon now. Let's be honest here. This was a very hostile, volatile environment. The cops had them surrounded with guns drawn. Obviously they all knew he carried weapons all the time in the past, including in a shoulder holster. He exits the vehicle and raises his arms, and then reaches with his right hand toward his left chest. These cops don't have time to analyze and estimate the odds of him reaching for his weapon. They have a fraction of a second to react. That's how they are trained.
Now, if LaVoy was shot before he made that reach, that's another thing. In that case he was executed and there's no excuse. If they shot him after he made the move, then that was LaVoy's fatal mistake. Even so, I don't understand why they couldn't have stayed behind cover, guns drawn, and diffused the situation. They had the man and the occupants of the Vehicle trapped. They weren't going anywhere. The key is finding out definitively whether or not he was shot before making the move. Verbal "taunting" is no justification to shoot a man like a dog.
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