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| foundation horse - 2016-03-10 4:46 PM
I finally got to read the autopsy. An exit wound under the left FRONT nipple indicates (to me) that LaVoy Fincium was shot from behind. Which is murder! Or in this event assination!
All three shots entered from behind and exited his front. If you read closely, one had a downward entrance, one an upward and one straight on entrance. I wish they would have include angles as well. It really would have told the whole story as to where the bullets were coming from. | |
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Location: Florida | A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. If you do not own the land you have no right to it. If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Please, no more useless deaths. WWJD? | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Vickie - 2016-03-10 4:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. If you do not own the land you have no right to it. If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Please, no more useless deaths. WWJD?
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-03-10 5:44 PM
A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. Â If you do not own the land you have no right to it. Â If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Â Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Â Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Â Please, no more useless deaths. Â WWJD? Â
Please oh please cite from The Constitution where The Federal Government is authorized to own all the land they claim. | |
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Location: Windoming | Vickie - 2016-03-10 4:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. If you do not own the land you have no right to it. If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Please, no more useless deaths. WWJD?
What kind of a landlord refuses to take your payment for their lease, and then claims that you won't pay them?
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| Silly Filly - 2016-03-11 11:28 AM Vickie - 2016-03-10 4:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. Â If you do not own the land you have no right to it. Â If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Â Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Â Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Â Please, no more useless deaths. Â WWJD? Â Â
What kind of a landlord refuses to take your payment for their lease, and then claims that you won't pay them?
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They had signed federal leases and then refused to pay the Federal Government. Instead they attempted to pay the State, which by means of the Constitution is the rightful owner of the land. The State refused the payments because the contract was not signed with them
I stand with the ranchers who are legitimately paying their leases to the institution and not getting to use the land they have paid for. This is the problem I have in supporting the Bundys. They have singed with the Federal Government and not the state. They have not paid their leases and now the government wants them off the property. The government makes up their own rules whether they are constitutional or not BUT they signed to abide by those rules. They are making it really hard for the men and women with leases that are following the rules.
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The Bundys are also fighting for those guys who are playing by the rules which makes them a double edged sword to me. As badly as I do not want to support them, I see the struggles of our local guys because of mustangs, frogs, turtles and sage grouse.
As for Finicum's "useless death"; no death is ever useless. They all carry meaning and importance. We can learn from every death just as we can learn from every life.
Grouping all ranchers into a statement as vague and uninformed as this is ludicrous, it's like saying all barrel horses are psychotic time bombs waiting to blow up. Please research and see what's really going on out here. Look at all sides and not just that of the national media, who is bought and paid for by the Federal Government.
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| Vickie - 2016-03-10 5:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. Â If you do not own the land you have no right to it. Â If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Â Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Â Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Â Please, no more useless deaths. Â WWJD? Â
Seriously? What would Jesus do? What WOULD Jesus do? He would not cast judgment, he would not murder a man over cows, dirt and taxes! There is no religion in politics and whether we like it or not this IS a political issue. | |
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Location: North Texas | cyount2009 - 2016-03-11 12:09 PM
Silly Filly - 2016-03-11 11:28 AM Vickie - 2016-03-10 4:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. Â If you do not own the land you have no right to it. Â If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Â Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Â Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Â Please, no more useless deaths. Â WWJD? Â Â
What kind of a landlord refuses to take your payment for their lease, and then claims that you won't pay them?
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They had signed federal leases and then refused to pay the Federal Government. Instead they attempted to pay the State, which by means of the Constitution is the rightful owner of the land. The State refused the payments because the contract was not signed with them I stand with the ranchers who are legitimately paying their leases to the institution and not getting to use the land they have paid for. This is the problem I have in supporting the Bundys. They have singed with the Federal Government and not the state. They have not paid their leases and now the government wants them off the property. The government makes up their own rules whether they are constitutional or not BUT they signed to abide by those rules. They are making it really hard for the men and women with leases that are following the rules.
\ The Bundys are also fighting for those guys who are playing by the rules which makes them a double edged sword to me. As badly as I do not want to support them, I see the struggles of our local guys because of mustangs, frogs, turtles and sage grouse. As for Finicum's "useless death"; no death is ever useless. They all carry meaning and importance. We can learn from every death just as we can learn from every life. Grouping all ranchers into a statement as vague and uninformed as this is ludicrous, it's like saying all barrel horses are psychotic time bombs waiting to blow up. Please research and see what's really going on out here. Look at all sides and not just that of the national media, who is bought and paid for by the Federal Government. Â
I understand your perspective of the conflict between who Bundy had a contract with. However, w/o a signed agreement, which to the best of my knowledge, Cliven Bundy had not signed in over ten years, then just WHO has authority to collect anything??????????
Also, Constitutionally Speaking The Federal Government has no right to own land outside 10 miles in Washington D.C. as Forts and Ports. People need to do the research on just i.e. READ The Constitution!
Now, I am not defending or supporting Cliven Bundy per se, but I have read Storm Over Rangelands by Wayne Hage of Nevada as well. From there I started digging into the background of The BLM and NFS. Their predecessor is The General Land Office whose sole responsibility was to SELL OFF The Real Estate in their charge! | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | foundation horse - 2016-03-11 5:55 PM
I understand your perspective of the conflict between who Bundy had a contract with. However, w/o a signed agreement, which to the best of my knowledge, Cliven Bundy had not signed in over ten years, then just WHO has authority to collect anything?????????? Also, Constitutionally Speaking The Federal Government has no right to own land outside 10 miles in Washington D.C. as Forts and Ports. People need to do the research on just i.e. READ The Constitution! Now, I am not defending or supporting Cliven Bundy per se, but I have read Storm Over Rangelands by Wayne Hage of Nevada as well. From there I started digging into the background of The BLM and NFS. Their predecessor is The General Land Office whose sole responsibility was to SELL OFF The Real Estate in their charge!
Could you please either copy and paste that information from the Constitution or provide the Article/Section etc.? I could find nothing and was too lazy to keep looking....LOL | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | NJJ - 2016-03-11 6:04 PM foundation horse - 2016-03-11 5:55 PM
Article 1, section 8, clause 17 | |
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Location: North Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-03-11 7:21 PM
NJJ - 2016-03-11 6:04 PM foundation horse - 2016-03-11 5:55 PMÂ Â Â
 I understand your perspective of the conflict between who Bundy had a contract with. However, w/o a signed agreement, which to the best of my knowledge, Cliven Bundy had not signed in over ten years, then just WHO has authority to collect anything?????????? Also, Constitutionally Speaking The Federal Government has no right to own land outside 10 miles in Washington D.C. as Forts and Ports. People need to do the research on just i.e. READ The Constitution! Now, I am not defending or supporting Cliven Bundy per se, but I have read Storm Over Rangelands by Wayne Hage of Nevada as well. From there I started digging into the background of The BLM and NFS. Their predecessor is The General Land Office whose sole responsibility was to SELL OFF The Real Estate in their charge!
Article 1, section 8, clause 17Â
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Location: Where I am happiest | ThreeCorners - 2016-03-11 7:21 PM NJJ - 2016-03-11 6:04 PM foundation horse - 2016-03-11 5:55 PM
I understand your perspective of the conflict between who Bundy had a contract with. However, w/o a signed agreement, which to the best of my knowledge, Cliven Bundy had not signed in over ten years, then just WHO has authority to collect anything?????????? Also, Constitutionally Speaking The Federal Government has no right to own land outside 10 miles in Washington D.C. as Forts and Ports. People need to do the research on just i.e. READ The Constitution! Now, I am not defending or supporting Cliven Bundy per se, but I have read Storm Over Rangelands by Wayne Hage of Nevada as well. From there I started digging into the background of The BLM and NFS. Their predecessor is The General Land Office whose sole responsibility was to SELL OFF The Real Estate in their charge!
KrisAnn Hall is a constitutional attorney. She has a talk radio show, has written numerous books, has a website, and you can find her on facebook. Here she did a youtube video and explains in great detail and very easy to understand Article 1, section 8, clause 17 of the US Constitution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE | |
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Location: North Texas | To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—
The text as requested.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | foundation horse - 2016-03-11 7:32 PM To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;— The text as requested.
Thanks....I was too lazy to hunt....LOL....and I am sure others would like to read it too! | |
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Location: North Texas | NJJ - 2016-03-11 8:31 PM
foundation horse - 2016-03-11 7:32 PM To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;— The text as requested.
Thanks....I was too lazy to hunt....LOL....and I am sure others would like to read it too!Â
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-03-10 5:44 PM
A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. Â If you do not own the land you have no right to it. Â If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Â Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Â Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Â Please, no more useless deaths. Â WWJD? Â
I thought that was done by "Blood, Sweat, and Tears". | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2016-03-12 9:20 AM Vickie - 2016-03-10 5:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. If you do not own the land you have no right to it. If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Please, no more useless deaths. WWJD? I thought that was done by "Blood, Sweat, and Tears".
It was actually done by Billie Holiday
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 1DSoon - 2016-03-12 9:40 AM Bear - 2016-03-12 9:20 AM Vickie - 2016-03-10 5:44 PM A song that has been an inspiration to me is CCR: God Bless the Child Who Has His Own. If you do not own the land you have no right to it. If you are renting, you don't own it and you don't control it. Ranchers need to wake up and face it. Your landlord can pull your lease if you do not pay your rent, just like anyone in an apartment. Please, no more useless deaths. WWJD? I thought that was done by "Blood, Sweat, and Tears".
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Location: North Texas | Let me ask y'all folks something that are in disagreement with this thread. Do y'all believe in the Constitution? | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | foundation horse - 2016-03-12 10:34 AM Let me ask y'all folks something that are in disagreement with this thread. Do y'all believe in the Constitution?
People believe in the Constitution when it fits their needs. Obama is a perfect example of this. | |
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