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mandita8907
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2016-01-29 9:25 AM
Subject: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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I know you cannot compare these two therapies but I would like to hear personal experiences with these two products. Also which one stays in place better than the other?
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phillyincal
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2016-01-30 9:07 AM
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Definitely have had better luck with the BOT. My mare wears them during the day and they haven't slipped yet. She's in a large pen and is old so just walks around. With PHT I would keep her tied or use them in the trailer. They fell down even when stalled in a 12 x 12.
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mandita8907
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2016-02-01 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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Did you have good results using the BOT ones?
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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2016-02-01 11:28 AM
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 I have the PHT 3n1s and I love them. I can alternate between hocks and knees. I don't have any trouble keeping them up. I get the top tight, and leave the bottom really loose. 
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SmokinGirlie
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2016-02-01 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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 Don't forget that PHT has a new design for the knee boots, they are now called Hock N Knee. 
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-02-01 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots


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mandita8907 - 2016-01-29 9:25 AM I know you cannot compare these two therapies but I would like to hear personal experiences with these two products. Also which one stays in place better than the other?

You cannot compare the two products
First they are TWO totally different approaches to therapy.
They are not even remotely comparable.
BOT reflects the animals body heat back to itself.

PHT products  are designed and developed with the following in mind.
Homeostatic processes act at the level of the cell, the tissue, and the
organ, as well as for the horse as a ...whole.
Principal Homeostatic processes include the following:
1) Temperature Regulation
The horse's body tries to maintain a constant body temperature. An advantage
of temperature regulation is that it allows the horse to function
effectively in a broad range of environmental conditions. That thermal
stability comes at a price, since an automatic regulation system requires
additional energy. If the temperature rises, the horse loses heat by
sweating, via the latent heat of evaporation. If it falls, this is
counteracted by increased metabolic action, by shivering, and by thickening
the hair coat.
2) Regulation of the pH of the blood at 7.365 (a measure of alkalinity and
acidity).
3) Regulation of their blood glucose concentration
4) The kidneys are used to remove excess water and ions from the blood.
These are then expelled as urine. The kidneys perform a vital role in
homeostatic regulation in horse's, removing excess water, salt, and urea
from the blood.
5) If the water content of the blood and lymph fluid falls, it is restored
in the first instance by extracting water from the cells. The throat and
mouth become dry, so that the symptoms of thirst motivate the horse to
drink.
6) If the oxygen content of the blood falls, or the carbon-dioxide
concentration increases, blood flow is increased by more vigorous heart
action and the speed and depth of breathing increases.
7) Sleep timing depends upon a balance between homeostatic sleep propensity,
the need for sleep as a function of the amount of time elapsed since the
last adequate sleep episode, and circadian rhythms that determine the ideal
timing of a correctly structured and restorative sleep episode.
All PHT Products are designed with these principals in mind. We provide
products that will help your horse feel his best by providing a SAFE healing
environment.

 
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-02-01 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots


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phillyincal - 2016-01-30 9:07 AM Definitely have had better luck with the BOT. My mare wears them during the day and they haven't slipped yet. She's in a large pen and is old so just walks around. With PHT I would keep her tied or use them in the trailer. They fell down even when stalled in a 12 x 12.

I think are referring to our old style 3N1
We now have a Hock N Knee boot that is staying on very nice
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mandita8907
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2016-02-01 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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SG. - 2016-02-01 12:57 PM

mandita8907 - 2016-01-29 9:25 AM I know you cannot compare these two therapies but I would like to hear personal experiences with these two products. Also which one stays in place better than the other?

You cannot compare the two products
First they are TWO totally different approaches to therapy.
They are not even remotely comparable.
BOT reflects the animals body heat back to itself.

PHT productsΒ Β are designed and developed with the following in mind.
Homeostatic processes act at the level of the cell, the tissue, and the
organ, as well as for the horse as a ...whole.
Principal Homeostatic processes include the following:
1) Temperature Regulation
The horse's body tries to maintain a constant body temperature. An advantage
of temperature regulation is that it allows the horse to function
effectively in a broad range of environmental conditions. That thermal
stability comes at a price, since an automatic regulation system requires
additional energy. If the temperature rises, the horse loses heat by
sweating, via the latent heat of evaporation. If it falls, this is
counteracted by increased metabolic action, by shivering, and by thickening
the hair coat.
2) Regulation of the pH of the blood at 7.365 (a measure of alkalinity and
acidity).
3) Regulation of their blood glucose concentration
4) The kidneys are used to remove excess water and ions from the blood.
These are then expelled as urine. The kidneys perform a vital role in
homeostatic regulation in horse's, removing excess water, salt, and urea
from the blood.
5) If the water content of the blood and lymph fluid falls, it is restored
in the first instance by extracting water from the cells. The throat and
mouth become dry, so that the symptoms of thirst motivate the horse to
drink.
6) If the oxygen content of the blood falls, or the carbon-dioxide
concentration increases, blood flow is increased by more vigorous heart
action and the speed and depth of breathing increases.
7) Sleep timing depends upon a balance between homeostatic sleep propensity,
the need for sleep as a function of the amount of time elapsed since the
last adequate sleep episode, and circadian rhythms that determine the ideal
timing of a correctly structured and restorative sleep episode.
All PHT Products are designed with these principals in mind. We provide
products that will help your horse feel his best by providing a SAFE healing
environment.

Β 

Thats why in the original post I stated I am not trying to compare these two therapies based off what they do. I am asking about personal experiences and asking about how well each product stays in place. I am aware they are two completely different therapies.
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-02-01 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots


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mandita8907 - 2016-02-01 12:01 PM Thats why in the original post I stated I am not trying to compare these two therapies based off what they do. I am asking about personal experiences and asking about how well each product stays in place. I am aware they are two completely different therapies.

Thank you. I understand   I just wanted to clarify for others as well.
Our New leg wear line is having great reviews.
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Cowgirl Kat
Reg. Aug 2013
Posted 2016-02-01 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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The BOT have worked really well for me 
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mandita8907
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2016-02-02 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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SG. - 2016-02-01 12:58 PM

phillyincal - 2016-01-30 9:07 AM Definitely have had better luck with the BOT. My mare wears them during the day and they haven't slipped yet. She's in a large pen and is old so just walks around. With PHT I would keep her tied or use them in the trailer. They fell down even when stalled in a 12 x 12.

I think are referring to our old style 3N1
We now have a Hock N Knee boot that is staying on very nice

Have you used the new Hock and Knee boots? I am trying to get an opinion on someone that has used them.
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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-02-02 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots


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mandita8907 - 2016-02-02 12:53 PM
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phillyincal - 2016-01-30 9:07 AM Definitely have had better luck with the BOT. My mare wears them during the day and they haven't slipped yet. She's in a large pen and is old so just walks around. With PHT I would keep her tied or use them in the trailer. They fell down even when stalled in a 12 x 12.
I think are referring to our old style 3N1

We now have a Hock N Knee boot that is staying on very nice
Have you used the new Hock and Knee boots? I am trying to get an opinion on someone that has used them.

I have an old mare with bad knees  She wears them every night along with her quick wraps and bells boots.  If I miss a night she isn't as mobile the next day
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cowgirl156
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2016-02-02 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots


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I've been using BOT knee boots for years. I love them and they stay on...always! I jumped on the band wagon last month and bought the phts, needless to say, they don't stay on at all and I'm very disappointed because they were so expensive. I would go with the BOT.
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rachellyn80
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2016-02-02 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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 My experience with BOT has never been as positive as many others that I've seen.  Creating heat has never made any sense to me in the process of healing an injury.  If I can increase circulation in the area of an injury without creating heat, I'll always pick that option.  Living in Oklahoma, BOT just isn't a great choice for me as we are so limited on months that you can safely use those products.

The PHT design has changed so much you cannot compare the new Hock N Knee Wraps to the old 3-N-1 Wraps.
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KPwuvsOliver
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2016-02-02 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots


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I spent a small fortune on pht products and didn't see many results that I had hoped, BOT products are amazing and my boy always feels less tense and has a better range of motion. Keep in mind every horse is different and perhaps pht will work, this was just my experience
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phillyincal
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2016-02-02 8:53 PM
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Oops I did not even realize there was an new style PHT knee boot! Feel free to ignore my comment above as it was using the old style. I will say that when I sold my PHTs I got a good price for them...they do hold their value! Good luck!
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Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2016-02-02 9:31 PM
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rachellyn80 - 2016-02-02 7:35 PM  My experience with BOT has never been as positive as many others that I've seen.  Creating heat has never made any sense to me in the process of healing an injury.  If I can increase circulation in the area of an injury without creating heat, I'll always pick that option.  Living in Oklahoma, BOT just isn't a great choice for me as we are so limited on months that you can safely use those products.



The PHT design has changed so much you cannot compare the new Hock N Knee Wraps to the old 3-N-1 Wraps.

I kind of have to agree. I have a mare that was sore footed, I am guessing stone bruise. I used PHT on her. If I have one with sore muscles, I have had good luck with BOT. I had a colt last yr that had scratches. He was having swelling from it and while applying meds to the scratches, I used BOT to bring the swelling down. It worked great. I use the PHT blankets all the time, have a BOT but just haven't found a real need for it yet. I like both methods of therapy. Personally I have the gloves and ankle wrap from BOT that I really love. It just depends on the issue. But for injuries I never thought heat was a good idea either. 
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Posted 2016-02-03 10:08 AM
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cowgirl156 - 2016-02-02 5:04 PM I've been using BOT knee boots for years. I love them and they stay on...always! I jumped on the band wagon last month and bought the phts, needless to say, they don't stay on at all and I'm very disappointed because they were so expensive. I would go with the BOT.

That's funny you say that because I always connect 'jumping on the bandwagon' with BOT  
(I'm not being snarky to you at all, just made me chuckle 
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mandita8907
Reg. Nov 2010
Posted 2016-02-03 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: PHT vs BOT knee boots



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cowgirl156 - 2016-02-02 8:04 PM

I've been using BOT knee boots for years. I love them and they stay on...always! I jumped on the band wagon last month and bought the phts, needless to say, they don't stay on at all and I'm very disappointed because they were so expensive. I would go with the BOT.

So you bought the new Hock and Knee PHT boots?
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MidWest1452
Reg. May 2013
Posted 2016-02-03 9:07 PM
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I have the new hock n knee boots from PHT. They stay on much better than the old 3in1s on the knees. I do the top nice and tight and the bottom more on the loose side. They stay exactly where they should for an hour while she is in her stall. I can't leave them on all night because I board my horses and can't get out there in the morning to take them off so she only gets to use them for an hour or so when we are done riding on the nights I'm at the barn. She goes to sleep within mins of me putting the knee boots on, so they must feel good! I wish I could leave them on longer. I actually did sell my other PHT leg products as I just don't get to use them as much as I want to so there was no point in keeping them. I'm keeping the knee boots though as I have fluid in her tendon sheath that I am trying to treat.
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