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Location: That part of Texas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 3:31 AM In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ... are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ?? Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking cattle over miles of rough country...
Why would I want to medicate a working ranch horse with Lasix on a daily basis when I know that we are going to be riding for miles in a day with limited access to water (to begin with) and in that capacity, it's not hard running we are going to be doing? Sure, we may have to rope a head or two every now and then but that's not the norm. We have a hard enough time keeping one hydrated with that type of activity much less add medication to the mix that causes them to excrete urine on a more frequent basis and become imbalanced without water. That makes absolutely no sense on why I would keep a horse with that need in our remuda. If they can't hack it without medication, they have no place on our place and in the daily line-up. | |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 12:51 PM luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people ignore after they make their run ... Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors... it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days. Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user?? In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ... are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ?? Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking cattle over miles of rough country... Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them. Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race ..... You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I have never given more than 4cc of lasix for a bleeder. I had one we started at 4 cc and then we were able to decrease it over time because he was being swam and in phenomenal shape. I have heard of giving 10cc of Kentucky red with lasix but not 10cc of lasix | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I've had two terrible bleeders both of which bled out both nostrils severely. I tried every supplement under the sun, none of which actually prevented a bleed. DO YOUR RESEARCH PEOPLE. Understand why they bleed, what causes it and what and how Lasix prevents it. What to do pre and post race. I know people who have been running their horses for years upon years, well into their 20s on Lasix and because they were well maintained And the jockey was properly educated their horses lived a long and fruitful life.
Choose your races wisely, realize it's now a one run horse, yes you can run two rodeos in one day but take the proper precautions and don't do this constantly.
And I've never heard of a ranch horse on Lasix, why would a ranch horse need Lasix? Horses bleed when their capillaries burst from running and their lungs working super hard, usually happens just in a full speed run, if you have a ranch horse that bleeds that horse may need to be retired or have a different job.
I give 3-4cc at MOST and never had one bleed through, I supplement electrolytes after each race, I even offer mine a little water during the process and hay. I give mine IM that way their blood pressure doesn't drop to quickly, I have found it works just as fast and efficient. I keep water on hand for after our runs so my horse can drink as much as they want after.
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 11:51 AM
luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them.
Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race .....
You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
Once again Jack, aka skid boots, aka Fullthrottledash, aka your other 123442 logins over the years...THANK YOU for once again showing your ass on a subject. Guess I will run out and explain to my gelding how the 3 Cc's of Lasix he gets aren't controlling his bleeding even though he bleeds without it and doesn't bleed with it. I'm sure it's all in his head. Oh... And I'll also tell the track vet that recommended this so the horse doesn't turn into a true bleeder that he is full of crap and has no idea what he's doing when it comes the Lasix. | |
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| SKM - 2016-03-09 6:08 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 11:51 AM luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people ignore after they make their run ... Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors... it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days. Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user?? In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ... are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ?? Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking cattle over miles of rough country... Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them. Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race ..... You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself Once again Jack, aka skid boots, aka Fullthrottledash, aka your other 123442 logins over the years...THANK YOU for once again showing your ass on a subject. Guess I will run out and explain to my gelding how the 3 Cc's of Lasix he gets aren't controlling his bleeding even though he bleeds without it and doesn't bleed with it. I'm sure it's all in his head. Oh... And I'll also tell the track vet that recommended this so the horse doesn't turn into a true bleeder that he is full of crap and has no idea what he's doing when it comes the Lasix.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | SKM - 2016-03-09 6:08 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 11:51 AM
luckygirl04 - 2016-03-07 5:06 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-06 1:31 AM
When given as directed and you see the stress a horse goes thru .. you wonder
how they can even walk and then there is the re-hydration process most people
ignore after they make their run ...
Most race tracks are beginning to realize Lasix is really a way for trainers to pee off
drugs that are easily identifiable in test barns and not for the bleeding factors...
it's a high dollar income factor for track vets since they are the sole source on race days.
Why else would every horse on the track be a Lasix user??
In arena events I always find it miraculous that people running all day and all weekend
in multiple play day type events seem to never even think of using Lasix ...
are their horses in better shape, fewer supplements or what ??
Same with hard working ranch horses roping to brand or pasture doctoring and checking
cattle over miles of rough country...
Well the reason most track horses are Lasix users is because most horses do bleed. I've seen it and it's awful. I would never wish it upon any horse owner, not only is it sickening, bleeding can create scar tissue in the lungs, if not taken care of. I think it's really sad. I've tried multiple supplements And I've had horses bleed through them. Why use Lasix? Because it does work. I know of one horse in particular that my traveling partner ran all summer, the horse was bleeding and the gal didn't know it, once she suspected something even then she didn't give Lasix, she eventually had a vet look at him. She tried alternative supplements and was bleeding through the supplements. The horse completely stopped clocking and working by the end of the summer:/ very sad. I've never had a problem with Lasix as long as I give the correct amount for each horse. I've had one bleed through via me not giving enough. On top of it I give electrolytes. Keep a bit of water in front of them.
Barrel racers think Lasix is a magic fix and never go read race track rules on the off time needed to heal up and the penalties and number of times a repetitive bleeder can be run on the track before being barred from running in a race .....
You can't bleed today... give Lasix and run tomorrow etc etc and not permanently harm the horse ... and 10cc is the amount given with 4 hours elapsed before running ... anything less and you are fooling yourself
Once again Jack, aka skid boots, aka Fullthrottledash, aka your other 123442 logins over the years...THANK YOU for once again showing your ass on a subject. Guess I will run out and explain to my gelding how the 3 Cc's of Lasix he gets aren't controlling his bleeding even though he bleeds without it and doesn't bleed with it. I'm sure it's all in his head. Oh... And I'll also tell the track vet that recommended this so the horse doesn't turn into a true bleeder that he is full of crap and has no idea what he's doing when it comes the Lasix.
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Location: Wisconsin | I have seen many horses start out with low doses 3-4 cc with success. Many will adjust as needed. Please dont start out with 10cc. And it still has the label as "Run enhancer" so no, i have never seen one laid back on it. Maybe the horse not as worried, as its not bleeding anymore. | |
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