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(Yes, Houston is biased against the PRCA and I'm sure there are two sides to every story, but I found the article very entertaining non the less. Give it a read guys and gals. 
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/why-the-biggest-organization-in-rodeo-kicked-out-houston-and-its-top-cowboys-8242230
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I thought it was a very interesting article. There's far more that went on behind the scenes prior to ERA being set up than has been brought up. I don't think it was done on a whim. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | MS2011 - 2016-03-16 9:38 AM I thought it was a very interesting article. There's far more that went on behind the scenes prior to ERA being set up than has been brought up. I don't think it was done on a whim.
I agree. I used to be on the fence about the whole situation. I'm starting to see what the members of the ERA were so upset about. Very interesting article. |
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What I personally don't like is the "elite" part of the ERA. Not only the entry level cowboy, but also midlevel cowboys (and cowgirls) are barred for competing. I'm sorry, but those featured in the article feel threatened by the weekend warriors taking money from them? Those weekend warriors are just as much at risk for injury as those at the top, if not more so. The weekend warrior is already basically barred from tour and invitational rodeos which gives the "elite" a definitive advantage in qualifying for the NFR.
So if the "elite" want to create their own organization, don't do it off the backs of everyone else.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | But, the ERA tried to poach already established PRCA rodeos; the biggest paying PRCA rodeos. That isn't "building" rodeo.
What they are having to do, come up with NEW rodeos, in NEW venues, that is building rodeo. THose are their rodeos and they can do what ever they want with them.
I have absolutely no problem with coming up with the new rodeos. I have a huge problem with them trying to take rodeos that 80+ PRCA card members have a shot to get in, for just the 10-12 they decide are "elite".
The PRCA is not driving away cowboys. How many of those guys dropped out of the ERA when the first injunction failed to stop the new PRCA by-laws. Rodeos are setting attendance records. People go to Houston for the concert. The rodeos have figured that out. It's not that they can say Trevor Brazile is up tonight. It is because Kid Rock is up tonight.
Every one of us takes a risk of being hurt. If I get hurt and can't work at my 9-5 job, that is absolutely no different that Mote not being able to enter rodeos. I don't get paid either.
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The PRCA is not without it's flaws. I don't blame those involved with to start ERA for trying to start something new after witnessing the success of the PBR, and not having much voice within the PRCA. However they overstepped boundaries by using the PRCA as a farm system and especially so when they asked certain rodeo committees to take some performances away from the PRCA and make them ERA.
What I personally don't like is the "elite" part of the ERA. Not only the entry level cowboy, but also midlevel cowboys (and cowgirls) are barred for competing. I'm sorry, but those featured in the article feel threatened by the weekend warriors taking money from them? Those weekend warriors are just as much at risk for injury as those at the top, if not more so. The weekend warrior is already basically barred from tour and invitational rodeos which gives the "elite" a definitive advantage in qualifying for the NFR.
So if the "elite" want to create their own organization, don't do it off the backs of everyone else.
All of this of course MHO.
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I think there is room for both, but don't use one association to build your own. Build your own association from the ground up and you have no fight. Create your own qualifying system separate from your biggest competitor. Don't try to take rodeos from other associations. Make a go of it and some of those established committees will come running for you if they see you are a success.
I think the ERA's big mistake was their qualifying system and trying to get established PRCA rodeos to sign up with them. If they had not done those things there would have been no need for a lawsuit and the ERA peeps would still be going to PRCA rodeos too.... now that's not to say that the PRCA doesn't need any revamping. I am sure it has it flaws that need to be corrected.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them.
I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | rodeoveteran - 2016-03-16 10:23 AM The PRCA is not without it's flaws. I don't blame those involved with to start ERA for trying to start something new after witnessing the success of the PBR, and not having much voice within the PRCA. However they overstepped boundaries by using the PRCA as a farm system and especially so when they asked certain rodeo committees to take some performances away from the PRCA and make them ERA. What I personally don't like is the "elite" part of the ERA. Not only the entry level cowboy, but also midlevel cowboys (and cowgirls) are barred for competing. I'm sorry, but those featured in the article feel threatened by the weekend warriors taking money from them? Those weekend warriors are just as much at risk for injury as those at the top, if not more so. The weekend warrior is already basically barred from tour and invitational rodeos which gives the "elite" a definitive advantage in qualifying for the NFR. So if the "elite" want to create their own organization, don't do it off the backs of everyone else. All of this of course MHO.
I can see both sides.
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| IRunOnFaith - 2016-03-17 1:35 PM
BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them.
I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit.
I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality.
Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO. |
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Location: Texas | SKM - 2016-03-17 6:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-03-17 1:35 PM BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them. I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality. Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO.
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Location: The edge of no where | RocketPilot - 2016-03-17 7:48 PM SKM - 2016-03-17 6:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-03-17 1:35 PM BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them. I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality. Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO. ^^^ This. I don't think anyone goes to a rodeo to see Trevor, Bobby, Tuff or anyone else. Buying their tapes if you want to see them would be a better option.
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RocketPilot - 2016-03-17 7:48 PM SKM - 2016-03-17 6:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-03-17 1:35 PM BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them. I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality. Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO. ^^^ This. I don't think anyone goes to a rodeo to see Trevor, Bobby, Tuff or anyone else. Buying their tapes if you want to see them would be a better option.
Not true. Thanks to multi media, rodeo people can be more accessible than ever. Those guys get the trade lists and know when they are up. They could easily put it out there if they really wanted their fans to know where they are. Honestly though, most of them don't like to be bothered by the general public. I've seen some top names be downright rude to small kids that managed to get back into the parking lot and saw so-n-so at their trailer. It was pretty eye opening and heart breaking to watch them crush those little kids. |
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| SKM - 2016-03-17 5:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-03-17 1:35 PM BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them. I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality. Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO.
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In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality. Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO.
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When I was younger, rodeo wasnt really all that "cool." NBHA was the "thing." High school rodeo wasnt competitive and it was a joke to a lot of people. Now in the past 5 years I would say it has gotten stronger and stronger. I do agree that the kids need to have the support behind them to go and try to be pro... but I think right now it is getting a lot of attention and more kids are wanting to reach for the stars as far as rodeo goes.
My only devils advocate remark about them poaching certain rodeos is... the facility/rodeo has the final say. If they want to be onboard with something new, I say let them make their choice. They clearly see some benefit in switching from PRCA to ERA. But at the same time, I see them getting new facilities, rodeos, etc involved would really be good for this whole conflict and good for rodeo. Just requires a lot more work to build a rodeo up. |
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SKM - 2016-03-17 7:54 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-03-17 1:35 PM BS Hauler - 2016-03-16 2:50 PM To me the ERA is like starting a new NASCAR series and only letting the top 10 in points race at it. Are the ERA guys that afraid of the weekender cowboys that they are afraid to have to compete with them. I see where you are coming from, but I don't think it has anything to do with who is against who. They simply are wanting to get "bigger names" running so they can promote them to the public better. At least that's what I got out of the article.
In the article Houston states that they were tired of seeing the seats half full until the concerts. So they started taking their own entries so they would know exactly who was going to be there so they could promote their rodeo:
example: "Come to our rodeo to see X Y and Z run on this night at this time." It upped the regular performance attendees at Houston until PRCA told Houston No you can't do that anymore. Numbers went back down.
The ERA isn't afraid to run againt anyone they just want to promote the most well known in the business. If they get their names out there and more and more people follow them and more children want to be them then those children actually can't start in the ERA... They actually have to start in the PRCA ... Which in turn creates more competition and more generations of athelete for the PRCA...
The article is really interesting when they compared the ERA to what Houston was doing: promoting names to draw bigger crowds and get people more familiar with the names of people in Rodeo. I'm sure we could pick apart HOW they did it and how unorganized and messy it was. But they're just starting out. And after this article I'm really hoping the ERA does just that, Makes people more familiar with our sport and the names on the circuit. I call BS on the ERA creating more rodeo contestants. That's a load of crap. What creates young contestants is the PARENTS who spend countless hours practicing with their kids, hauling them to junior rodeos via state associations, Little Britches, junior high and high school rodeos. Very few parents with zero horse experience that live in a city are going to go out and buy a rope horse because little Timmy saw Trevor at a rodeo and decides he wants to be just like him. That is not reality. Also, the PRCA is what all these guys strive for after college because the PRCA is the best known organization for rodeo. It's the pinnacle of rodeo achievements. The ERA isn't going to create more contestants because of how awesome they are. Talk about being a huge narcissist. The ERA needs to deflat that big ego some. JMHO.
I honestly don't care if the succeed or fail. My problem is with the way they are trying to do it and the ego they are putting out there. I believe in giving credit where credit is due. The ERA wants a NFL style venue to showcase how great they are, more power to them. But they need to stop with the pity party about the mean ole PRCA kicking them out of the sandbox. They also need to stop with the ludicrous claims that they will be the saving grace of rodeo by getting more youth contestants, etc. They need to stand on their own two feet without stealing rodeos and acting like politicians. When they start acting like adults, then maybe I would show them more respect. |
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