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FlyingJT
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted
2016-04-06 10:48 AM
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RE: Advice needed on trainer working out of my barn
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Charge her a per day fee, then she can schedule her clients around those days. If she uses the arena 3 days a week, no matter how many clients haul in, charging her $50/day
(6.25/hr/8hrs
) will bring in $600/month, 75/day
(almost 10/hr/8hr
) 900/month. I assume her lessons are about an hour long. It'll be her responsibility to schedule and keep her days full in order to make money.
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BARRELHORSE USA
Reg. Sep 2011
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2016-04-06 6:14 PM
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RE: Advice needed on trainer working out of my barn
Bibliafarm - 2016-04-06 9:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-04-06 5:08 AM KISS system ... Never allow any one else be responsible for carrying and paying for liability insurance on your property. They will fail to renew and leave you hanging. Figure this into your costs of running a business. Additional electric and water costs ... work it out in the costs of your stalls per month without detailing it on the bill .. How many stalls do you have?? Charge her for 1/3 of the stalls at one end of the barn with tackroom and total off limits on the other
(empty
) stalls when she holds group sessions.. even if you have to lock and chain them. This gives her incentive to re-coup her money for stalls with boarders. You know everyone including the trainer is going to park their horses in empty stalls ... it is human nature. Stall charge should be for full care with your standard feed and hay any special feeds or supplements etc are provided by horse owner etc .. then there is no discussion who used what and how much. Feeding time will be at your discretion ... you don't want horses tearing your barn down if feeding time is different if she is allowed to feed on her daily time schedule .. Arena time ... schedule one hour between your training time and her training time ... and if you are also HJ trainer ... jumps etc have to be fully setup after training sessions ... or removed to a corner of the arena if you train a different event. These schedules and rules should be on a bulletin or chalk board. Ask her for a written schedule of her group and private sessions ... length of session.. and time of day and days of week etc ... how many in a group so you can figure out trailer parking on haul in's etc ... and see if your schedule conflicts with her's .. If she uses one of your horses for sessions ... have a monthly sign out sheet where she signs out the horse
(s
) on a daily basis with time of session and rider ... this is in a special notebook with form on your counter ... and charge her for use of the horse as a separate item from xx number of stalls .. Also have a guest sign in book for EVERY rider that comes to use your facilities .. this is your record of day and time anyone was there whether in a training session or using just your arena. May be required by your insurance but is a good record to have .. period ... to know who is using your facilities ... this is also your tally sheet on how many clients she has at group sessions etc .. she doesn't need to know this .. lol .. just say it is an insurance requirement and insist the book be used even if you have to interrupt their training session if guest book number does not match the number of riders in the arena ... You are running a business so charge her your retail price for full care stalls with the number of stalls compatible with the cost of electricity and maintaining the arena for her haul in solo lessons etc ... Trainer pays retail full care for xx number of stalls in advance for each month .... if she can't afford it then pass on her using your facilities ... this is how trainers afford to drive the big new trucks by not paying for use of your facilities ... barn owner is left hanging .. You are going to charge for stalls and not care about tracking down $10 or whatever on her number of students ... this is a flat fee per month so you can keep track of it very easily ....... and no discounts for her wanting to feed horses or stall care etc in her leased stalls ... and you charge for new buckets or whatever to hang in stalls and charge when one needs to be replaced etd .. This should be a standard for your entire barn ....... Computer print out of horses name and feeding instructions including supplements in a sheet protector or plastic slide in on each stall ... listing morning and evening feeding instructions. And don't forget to put up signs according to your states equine laws in various places in barn, front door and arena .. any sign shop usually have these or buy from the state .. Just keep in mind ... you are the owner and you are responsible for setting the mood of leasing stalls to an individual or a trainer ... so nip any crap in the bud early on to abide by your set of standards .. GOOD LUCK ..
Thats great for a larger business.. She posted there are only 9 stalls and trainer doesnt have horses there nor client..
also they do not use posters horses.. so it all factors into..BUT I will point out.. Contract is very important and care of property and also INSURANCE..keep a copy because some say they have it and dont..   Id personally not allow it if no clients boarded there but thats just me.. People tend to respect others property if it directly affects them..
(broken jumps, fences, etc
)
FLYINGJT .. good simple arena only deal ... and any boarding or horse rental is separate .................. this will work along with items from my suggested login's etc ...
login's IMO are imperative ... if someone files a claim .. you have a record of when they were there etc etc .. and you get familiar with her cliental ...
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FLYINGJT >>> Charge her a per day fee, then she can schedule her clients around those days. If she uses the arena 3 days a week, no matter how many clients haul in, charging her $50/day
(6.25/hr/8hrs
) will bring in $600/month, 75/day
(almost 10/hr/8hr
) 900/month. I assume her lessons are about an hour long. It'll be her responsibility to schedule and keep her days full in order to make money.
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You still need a list of the main rules at entrance ... since this looks like an arena use only .... no one is allowed in the stall area ...
(due to disease transference or just pestering the stalled horses
) ...
Since she is already doing insurance for her students ... ask for agents contact info and notify him to send you a copy each time it is renewed or cancelled .... you still need insurance for your activities ... he may be able to give you a less expensive deal ... and using him would keep the two polices separated ...
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ajs2002
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted
2016-04-07 7:01 AM
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RE: Advice needed on trainer working out of my barn
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Posts: 1367
Location: mi
If it was me I would make it simple and go with $10 a lesson no matter if its a haul in, her horse, your horse...... She is using your property no matter what so you should be compensated for that. Along with the fact if you do intend to get regular boarders in at some point it is super inconvenient for them to have to ride around someone giving lessons all the time. So I would have a rate for board should she bring in training horses, and an arena use fee for lessons. Yep if you are not on the grounds all of the time you will have to count on her being honest about how many lessons she is giving but if she is worth having at your barn you should be able to trust her with that. Along with that she should be giving you a weekly schedule of her lessons just so you know when the arena might be fully used verses open and a bit easier for you to use for your purposes.
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Dreamin of 3cans
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted
2016-04-07 9:15 AM
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RE: Advice needed on trainer working out of my barn
JMHO
Posts: 1869
Location: Oklahoma
Now that there's more info I'd say that if she wants the arena to herself it's $25/$30 per hour. If she doesn't care if you are riding in your arena, other boarders or other lessons are being givin at the same time
(share the arena
) $15 per hour. If she puts on a clinic make a flat fee per day
(ie. $150
). Maybe put a dri-erase board in the tack room to keep up with scheduling.
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