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Location: Texas | I need some help with postioning on a horse that likes to turn in a rollback style rather than 4 wheel drive. My horse I have been riding for 11 years is a 4 wheel drive machine and we hardly ever hit a barrel in that time. My new horse though is another story. He really runs and turns but has a rollback style that I am not used to and I can't seem to stay off the barrels. Any advice from those of you who ride one like this would be appreciated! |
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| The advice I've always gotten and stuck to with horses like this is to ride deep, and when you think you're there, ride one more stride before you let them turn. Find a spot past the barrel to look, and give them that little bit of extra room. It's also important to figure out where the pivot point is for their size and particular style. A lot of horses with that style have to kind round into and go past the barrel and then pivot on the back-side. Often, I've seen riders put their horse's hip to the barrel and signal the turn, then the barrel goes down.
Edited by IdahoBarrelRacer756 2016-04-18 2:51 PM
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Location: Somewhere around here | It's tough going from one horse's style to another. What I've done recently to help myself get my horse to the right spot is using baby powder in a square, circle, line or whatever to mark the spot I need to be then ask. Of course, start at a walk to help your muscle memory and walk for a week, then trot for a week. I recommend also that you use barrels, cones, and tires for this exercise so he's not soured on just going onto barrels. It might take a couple of times of messing around with where you mark your baby power but visually it helps me. |
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Location: NE Texas | For me, on a roll back style horse, I have to really concentrate on riding the hip and not the barrel, as the hip dictates the turn. If their hip isn't clear, they are either going to catch the barrel leaving or roll right into it when committing to turn. Also, I think momentum going into the turn is so important for roll back style horse, as they are going to need a little extra to keep the turn efficient as opposed to a horse who is really driving a pulling through a turn. |
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| Ride deep into the turn, and wait until your horses hip is past the barrel before sitting down. If your horse likes to anticipate like mine, take them through the pattern at a trot, and counter arc them off at each turn, to teach them to turn when you sit, not when they reach the barrel. Also, I watch a lot of videos of Jackie Ganter on Cartel's Fame, for ideas on hand placement or where to start shaping horses with turning styles like Cartel. Check out her Instagram or Youtube videos. |
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Location: Texas | Thanks guys! |
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Location: Peach State | For my roll back style horse I had to make sure to ride him all the way to our pocket, and kept my outside rein open like I was going to ride 2 handed around the barrel and only go to the horse on the backside of the barrel since he took off so hard |
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| You have to DRIVE, DRIVE, DRIVE all the way. Pick your spot and keep looking at it away from the barrel. I have always ridden roll back and just got my first 4 wheel drive and I have to say that not hitting barrels or before the run praying not to hit a barrel is an AWESOME feeling!!! Good Luck.
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Location: northeast | I'm so glad someone posted this! I have a roll back style horse! Super fast but if u don't drive the whole way and go past he will knock leaving! Love the horse super fast and honest but definitely not my style to run! Any other tips people have on push style horse are greatly appreciated! |
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| Stop doing any warmups or exercises that even resemble a rollback ... walk, trot and lope circles smaller and smaller and keep your forward momentum at each gait ... while re-teaching your horse to keep their feet up under themselves without a barrel. Use your inside rein to hold them in the smaller circles which will turn into holding them off the barrel... a surprise reverse out of the circle in the opposite direction keeping the same size circle back into the larger circle makes horse pay attention to the rider ... while keeping a slack outside rein .. you are training both sides in one training session ...
Now watch the master ... square herself and her horse up by switching to riding two handed to get setup coming into each barrel ... she reaches down and shortens and lifts the inside rein and keeps her horse off the barrel and when clear she releases the inside rein as a signal to turn and then helps horse to complete the turn and gather to the next barrel and repeats the same routine from the first barrel thru the 3rd barrel ... WATCH HER HANDS!!
https://youtu.be/FqGi3WfY74w
Here is Trouble the gray and HAWK the bay her first really good NFR horse ... his dam is the second dam to Stingray's dam... ... daughter and mother bloodlines...
most people have never seen these two horses run ... but notice the same technique on both horses and watch the Stingray video again to see how much Cervi has improved as a rider with her automatic responses with Stingray ..
https://youtu.be/_Ovaw6_2X74
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Location: Warsaw,NY | I currently am in same situation. I have alot of people helping and basically i was told i need to ride the hair off him and push all the way into and past the barrel before i let him turn. when he turns he turns hard!!!! and i can not ask to finish 2nd barrel, he comes around hard on his own and i end up pulling him into it. he is a hard horse to ridde the hair off of due to his power, def way different than mhy other horse i rode for 15yrs just keep working at it and eventually u will get there. we r slowly getting there. i however do not practice at home, for his mental sake we just trail ride |
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| My experience is that they don't require as much room going into the barrel, very little pocket. They need the room on the back side. |
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Location: Texas | Wow great advice and thanks so much for the videos. I will try all those things. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | river runner - 2016-04-21 5:45 AM
My experience is that they don't require as much room going into the barrel, very little pocket. They need the room on the back side.
The more pocket you give them coming into the turn the more likely they are to tip it. I went from a 4x4 to a rollback style. All last year I spent figuring out how to ride my new horse. I did a lot of donating, that's for sure. |
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| Grateful to find this post, but what about those free running horses with a roll back style? Those you really can't push hard into the barrel. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | We have had a couple. Dry work during the week work circles keeping their feet moving and arced. No spins and no rollback's. When running, their turn comes from the hip and hocks so you have to push them past the barrel and very little pocket going in. To wide going in and not far enough past and you will pull barrels over. |
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Location: on a horse | Herbie - 2016-04-18 4:26 PM
For me, on a roll back style horse, I have to really concentrate on riding the hip and not the barrel, as the hip dictates the turn. If their hip isn't clear, they are either going to catch the barrel leaving or roll right into it when committing to turn. Also, I think momentum going into the turn is so important for roll back style horse, as they are going to need a little extra to keep the turn efficient as opposed to a horse who is really driving a pulling through a turn. Â
And very imperative to ride straight to the barrel, then get the hip past and sit up leaving. Love love a roll back. So fun and so fast |
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Location: Idaho | I love the rollback type horses. You need to literally turn on the back side of the barrel, drive them in and past the barrel, then let them turn. My last two geldings were like that, and I rarely ever hit a barrel. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Pick a spot outside the pen and ride to it. Don't quit and don't think about turning. Learn to push with your seat through the turns. |
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| I recently had a session with Sarah Rose McDonald. My horse has sort of a rollback style and she told me basically two strides out from the barrel to push, and be aware of his hip. Once his hip was past it finish the turn. Its worked out so far. Always think about that hip. |
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