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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Blake Russell - 2016-04-22 10:13 AM I had the opportunity to see the Double Latte cloned foal yesterday with my own eyes...and wow! he is a nice foal. Also, I hadn't seen the Frenchman's Guy cloned stallions since I delivered them years ago, and wow! again. They are super nice. I booked a mare to the FG cloned stallions (impossible for me to resist) and we are already fired up about another baby next year. As I stated before, there are multiple roads that can lead to great outcomes. I have seen the early movers with technology benefit in dairy, club calves, show pigs, goats, deer, polo horses, Olympic sport horses, and I am thoroughly enjoying the ride. Lots of discussion on here about the impact of breeding techniques on the future of the horse industry. I believe the responsibility is there for the breeders to use effectively. The answer isn't in prohibiting something because if used incorrectly, then it can cause harm. In that case we wouldn't have cars, hammers, or about any other tool. We need to understand our tools and use them to their best purpose. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinions openly and I enjoy this forum.
What bothers me most about cloning is that the individuals who promoted this knew that they couldn’t be registered….and THEN wanted an association to change their rules to suit THEM…..kind of sounds like the United States right now….let’s bend over (and get it) for every Tom, Dick and Harry who feels “their” rights are being violated…….. | |
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| NJJ - 2016-04-23 9:21 AM Blake Russell - 2016-04-22 10:13 AM I had the opportunity to see the Double Latte cloned foal yesterday with my own eyes...and wow! he is a nice foal. Also, I hadn't seen the Frenchman's Guy cloned stallions since I delivered them years ago, and wow! again. They are super nice. I booked a mare to the FG cloned stallions (impossible for me to resist) and we are already fired up about another baby next year. As I stated before, there are multiple roads that can lead to great outcomes. I have seen the early movers with technology benefit in dairy, club calves, show pigs, goats, deer, polo horses, Olympic sport horses, and I am thoroughly enjoying the ride. Lots of discussion on here about the impact of breeding techniques on the future of the horse industry. I believe the responsibility is there for the breeders to use effectively. The answer isn't in prohibiting something because if used incorrectly, then it can cause harm. In that case we wouldn't have cars, hammers, or about any other tool. We need to understand our tools and use them to their best purpose. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinions openly and I enjoy this forum. What bothers me most about cloning is that the individuals who promoted this knew that they couldn’t be registered….and THEN wanted an association to change their rules to suit THEM…..kind of sounds like the United States right now….let’s bend over (and get it) for every Tom, Dick and Harry who feels “their” rights are being violated……..
We'll ya know, they are entitled to be registered just like the individuals! Typed with my sarcastic fingers
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| Blake Russell - 2016-04-22 10:13 AM
I had the opportunity to see the Double Latte cloned foal yesterday with my own eyes...and wow! he is a nice foal. Also, I hadn't seen the Frenchman's Guy cloned stallions since I delivered them years ago, and wow! again. They are super nice. I booked a mare to the FG cloned stallions (impossible for me to resist) and we are already fired up about another baby next year. As I stated before, there are multiple roads that can lead to great outcomes. I have seen the early movers with technology benefit in dairy, club calves, show pigs, goats, deer, polo horses, Olympic sport horses, and I am thoroughly enjoying the ride. Lots of discussion on here about the impact of breeding techniques on the future of the horse industry. I believe the responsibility is there for the breeders to use effectively. The answer isn't in prohibiting something because if used incorrectly, then it can cause harm. In that case we wouldn't have cars, hammers, or about any other tool. We need to understand our tools and use them to their best purpose. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinions openly and I enjoy this forum.
But what is the point other than a experiment? So far all it has done is produce high priced GRADE horses that have no show records. To me until they prove themselves in the show pen they are just an oddity. | |
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Location: Midwest | jbhoot - 2016-04-23 4:56 PM Blake Russell - 2016-04-22 10:13 AM I had the opportunity to see the Double Latte cloned foal yesterday with my own eyes...and wow! he is a nice foal. Also, I hadn't seen the Frenchman's Guy cloned stallions since I delivered them years ago, and wow! again. They are super nice. I booked a mare to the FG cloned stallions (impossible for me to resist) and we are already fired up about another baby next year. As I stated before, there are multiple roads that can lead to great outcomes. I have seen the early movers with technology benefit in dairy, club calves, show pigs, goats, deer, polo horses, Olympic sport horses, and I am thoroughly enjoying the ride. Lots of discussion on here about the impact of breeding techniques on the future of the horse industry. I believe the responsibility is there for the breeders to use effectively. The answer isn't in prohibiting something because if used incorrectly, then it can cause harm. In that case we wouldn't have cars, hammers, or about any other tool. We need to understand our tools and use them to their best purpose. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinions openly and I enjoy this forum. But what is the point other than a experiment? So far all it has done is produce high priced GRADE horses that have no show records. To me until they prove themselves in the show pen they are just an oddity.
They do send the same exact nuclear DNA through sperm as the original horse had, so if the original horse was a gelding, this is the closest you will get to breeding to the original.
Technically, the "genes" are proven. However, the gene expression may differ. Plus environment, training, etc.
I think at this point, until we see how the horses produce, it is a bit of an experiment or gamble. I think it will be most interesting to see how the Frenchmans Guy clone produces as compared to the original, since the original has plenty on the ground already. | |
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| Oh I understand that they are duplicating proven horses. My point is they can't be registered. So you are only producing grade horses so how is that helping any breed register? Where is the market for these horses? And why don't they do anything with them besides use them for breeding. I just don't see a market for high priced grade horses with no record but that's just me. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2016-04-23 6:27 PM Oh I understand that they are duplicating proven horses. My point is they can't be registered. So you are only producing grade horses so how is that helping any breed register? Where is the market for these horses? And why don't they do anything with them besides use them for breeding. I just don't see a market for high priced grade horses with no record but that's just me.
Exactly.....how many threads have there been on this Forum about people buying or for some reason ending up with a "grade" horse........ then wanting papers..... | |
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Location: Midwest | jbhoot - 2016-04-23 6:27 PM Oh I understand that they are duplicating proven horses. My point is they can't be registered. So you are only producing grade horses so how is that helping any breed register? Where is the market for these horses? And why don't they do anything with them besides use them for breeding. I just don't see a market for high priced grade horses with no record but that's just me.
I think there is a DNA registry for the clones, but since they are not being AQHA registered at this point it would not be "bettering the breed".
At this point, I see it as more of a niche market. Since they are being cloned for breeding purposes, there's no reason to run them. (But we've already beaten that dead horse on this thread.)
The cloned horses aren't really anything I would personally breed to because I feel there are lots of great options out there in the industry that can be AQHA registered. In addition, I feel that the objective of breeding is to create better horses with each subsequent generation, and that is difficult to do when you keep breeding back to the same animals. I don't personally see anything wrong with folks cloning and doing whatever with the animals since it is their money, but it just isn't something that interests me at this point other than from an experiment/scientific viewpoint. | |
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