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Location: Wyoming | I didn't read any of the other responses but I have added a magnesium supplement to my horses diet and have seen a huge difference in her body soreness wise. It has also helped tremendously with her reoccurring laminitis, she gets a pulse in both front feet every time I get her shoes reset and the magnesium has completely eliminated that. |
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| Scotch - 2016-06-16 4:07 PM Sorry, I'm reincarnating this thread. :) I finally got my Magnesium and Vit E from Gateway today. Two weeks late thank to the good ol' mail service. Anyway, I'm still dealing with muscle soreness. Switched him to PSSM diet and still sore. Blood work came back last week. All trace mineral levels were normal. Inc. magnesium and vit E. My question now, if the levels are good according to the blood panel, could the supplements I just received even benefit?
Good question- cellular turnover takes about 90 days- I don't know if you'd get a true assessment of progress before that. Did you veterinarian evaluate this horse? This is an interesting topic to me- thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences! |
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| We have a gelding that gets sore in his lower back. A tablespoon of baking soda daily has done wonders for him. We also make him bow daily. This stretches the back and forces the muscles into extension. |
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Location: IL | My horse has been on magnesium now for a good 2 weeks. I do notice a difference. I |
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| Why are people SO resistant to trying a diet change??
As to the BB who questioned why does it have to happen to the good ones? I have a bit of a personal theory on that. The mare I had suspected of PSSM was huge, easy keeper, absolutely gorgeous and athletic as all get out. Only tied up once and that was after I had had her for 5 years. Was not a severe tie up but the vet suggested PSSM. I was devastated! But a diet change made a world of difference and I began to connect behaviors over the years, that were indicators. Like extreme back soreness when being brushed. And constant resistance to giving her chin when asked or even demanded. All of that went away with the change to low starch/high fat diet.
As to my theory? Well it is the same story as HYPP. Only with PSSM it is attached to athletic ability......and we have unknowingly bred for it. |
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Location: Southern Michigan | What does baking soda do for them? |
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| Queenie07 - 2016-06-21 6:13 AM
What does baking soda do for them?
If I recall it affects the Lactic acid build up in the muscles, which causes soreness, or at least that was the theory. I asked my vet about it long ago and he said there was some concern in long term use, but I do not recall what the concern was. Maybe something about disrupting something in the body chemistry? What ever it was, I chose not to try it. May work well for some. |
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Location: IL | Queenie07 - 2016-06-21 6:13 AM What does baking soda do for them?
Supposed to help balance the PH in their hindgut. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | rodeoveteran - 2016-06-21 8:31 AM Queenie07 - 2016-06-21 6:13 AM What does baking soda do for them? If I recall it affects the Lactic acid build up in the muscles, which causes soreness, or at least that was the theory. I asked my vet about it long ago and he said there was some concern in long term use, but I do not recall what the concern was. Maybe something about disrupting something in the body chemistry? What ever it was, I chose not to try it. May work well for some.
I've given baking soda to help remove lactic cid. BUT people take it as a digestive aid, so horses may benefit too. |
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| CanCan - 2016-06-21 8:40 AM
rodeoveteran - 2016-06-21 8:31 AM Queenie07 - 2016-06-21 6:13 AM What does baking soda do for them? If I recall it affects the Lactic acid build up in the muscles, which causes soreness, or at least that was the theory. I asked my vet about it long ago and he said there was some concern in long term use, but I do not recall what the concern was. Maybe something about disrupting something in the body chemistry? What ever it was, I chose not to try it. May work well for some.
A friend of ours used to feed it to her show steers if they tended to bloat. |
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | trickster j - 2016-06-18 5:48 AM
Scotch - 2016-06-16 4:07 PM Sorry, I'm reincarnating this thread. :) I finally got my Magnesium and Vit E from Gateway today. Two weeks late thank to the good ol' mail service. Anyway, I'm still dealing with muscle soreness. Switched him to PSSM diet and still sore. Blood work came back last week. All trace mineral levels were normal. Inc. magnesium and vit E. My question now, if the levels are good according to the blood panel, could the supplements I just received even benefit?
Good question- cellular turnover takes about 90 days- I don't know if you'd get a true assessment of progress before that. Did you veterinarian evaluate this horse? This is an interesting topic to me- thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences!
Yes, the vet did evaluate him. I've actually had a couple vets. Neither know what to tell me. :-/ |
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Okay, here's another scenario for my colt. I am really reaching outside the box because no one can figure him out.
About a month before I noticed this mystery muscle soreness, I had a tumor (vet said it was a sarcoid, but it was not close to the shape or texture of one) but I say tumor because it was a round marble type growth that was getting a little larger each month. anywho, I had it removed at the same time I had his teeth floated. It was on his chest area. Vet basically just cut it off and stitched it. It took a good month to heal because my colt could not keep his stitches in but it did heal and I began to ride him again. Coincidentally, after this is when I noticed the issues. I am really thinking having that removed messed something up internally in him. I don't know what but something.
Has anyone ever heard of this? Is this possible? I am sure I am grasping but it just seems weird that after that, I have problems. 
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Scotch - there's a variety of different types of sarcoids out there so it is possible your vet was correct as they can look different. Did he do a biopsy? That's really the only way to be 100% certain.
Regardless, if it was a sarcoid it's not anything that will metastasize (like some other types of skin cancer/tumors). But I've heard there is a theory that removing the sarcoid can activate a latent virus. And with that, there's the theory of the sarcoids initially being cause by BPV (Bovine papilloma virus). But again, just theories to my knowledge. But could be something of interest to look into, might be more research since I last researched on skin cancers in horses. I haven't dug into that type much as I lost my best horse to squamous cell carcinoma which is definitely a different scenario.
But with your horse, IMO, if you haven't done the bloodwork for the PSSM type 1, I would go ahead and do it and keep giving the supplements you bought for now. If all that yeilds nothing, I would seriously consider taking a harder look at kissing spine. He's certainly hurting from something. Good luck!
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Location: Phoenix | Could it be "equine herpes"? I know it of people don't recognize it but we had a very sensitive, touchy mare "diagnosed" with it and lysine was recommended. I would do a blood panel and see if she's lacking anything. Also, I will add that changing my horse to a low starch/high fat diet has done wonders for my horse. Best decision I've made so far with my horse. That, plus incorporating stretching DAILY. |
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