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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I'm going to TRY to attach pictures... Of these two horses, what are your likes and dislikes regarding their conformation? Just trying to educate myself. Thanks!
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  That's White "Man" to You
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| Darn it...I was hoping for another confirmation... I missed church on sunday.
Conformation is hard because so much depends on the condition and setup of the horse. Picture a Halter Class, they are usually conditioned pretty similar and they are all standing to showcase themselves the best they can. Now looking at your pictures...it is hardly fair to the horse to pick them apart based on what has been provided.
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| It is hard to judge those horses as both have their head turned.
The things I notice on the bay is the withers are higher then the hind end. To me this isn't balanced. His hocks are higher then I like, low hocks tend to allow the horses to get under themselves a little better. Things I like is he has a shorter back and a longer underline. His pasterns are a nice length (I don't like long pasterns).
His shoulder is average, would like a bigger hip.
The buckskin looks a little front end heavy. Hocks are high and a little set behind him, shoulder is nice, hip is weak |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I can't get the pics to open :( |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Yeah agree with the others, too hard to tell with the pics. The pics need to be on level ground, no bell boots, fly masks, etc. Also heads straight and fairly squared up. And another picture of them facing directly towards you, and directly away would help a lot with leg conformation.
The bay I can't tell if it's high in the withers as the picture almost looks like he's standing slightly uphill? Or maybe it's the fence in the background throwing me off. I do agree though on the comment that his hocks are high and not the nice low set hocks. He also looks to have fairly long pasterns in front which would be a turn off for me, but again, might just be the pic. I like the short back and he looks from what I can tell to have a pretty head and neck.
The buckskin is even harder to tell, but he definitely has a weaker hind end. Also looks like he toes out both front and back? But the shadow makes the front harder to tell. The tail seems set too high for my taste. Appears to have a much nicer shoulder than the bay. Can't tell much on head and neck.
Also, keep in mind that different people and different disciplines definitely will have differing opinions on pretty much anything you post. If you can get a hold of a copy of Horse & Rider (I'm pretty sure that's the one?), they do a "conformation class" article where they analyze three horses and place them and explain why they placed the way they do. Kind of fun and educational to look at and will help you to start picking up on certain things.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bays neck ties in very low. Would be terrible if you roped a cow or steer and needed to pull it anywhere. The breast collar would cut off his air way. His whithers are also a bit tall but nothing I would be concerned about. Very long Pasturnes. May cause problems down the road if he's a barrel pony. Will make it physically challenging to get low.
The buckskin is at a terrible angle. I have no comment on that one as I can't see much of anything that is square. Line them up and take another photo.  |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | IRunOnFaith - 2016-09-27 12:28 PM
Bays neck ties in very low. Would be terrible if you roped a cow or steer and needed to pull it anywhere. The breast collar would cut off his air way. His whithers are also a bit tall but nothing I would be concerned about. Very long Pasturnes. May cause problems down the road if he's a barrel pony. Will make it physically challenging to get low.
The buckskin is at a terrible angle. I have no comment on that one as I can't see much of anything that is square. Line them up and take another photo.
I will plan on doing that! Lol.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | ~BINGO~ - 2016-09-27 2:53 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-09-27 12:28 PM Bays neck ties in very low. Would be terrible if you roped a cow or steer and needed to pull it anywhere. The breast collar would cut off his air way. His whithers are also a bit tall but nothing I would be concerned about. Very long Pasturnes. May cause problems down the road if he's a barrel pony. Will make it physically challenging to get low.
The buckskin is at a terrible angle. I have no comment on that one as I can't see much of anything that is square. Line them up and take another photo. I will plan on doing that! Lol. And thus far, thank you for the responses.
Sounds great.
Are these two going to be used for barrels? What is their occupation? It would help tremendously as far as picking them apart conformationly. Each discipline to me has a different body style.
For example, My rope horse would be a terrible candidate for barrels conformation wise in many people's books. But if they are a roper, the may find her conformation appealing for the job. |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | The buckskin is my barrel horse. She's 13. 14.3ish hands. She's not the fastest thing out there. But runs 2d at smaller shows and 3D at larger ones. She's won me 3 buckles this year. :)
The bay we bought as a prospect. He's a 6 year old OTTB. I just started him on the pattern a few months ago. I have gone back and forth about selling him. He tries so hard and is very mellow, which I love. But we've been battling with a few different things. He's come down with allergies and a cough, which I'm starting him on a product as soon as it arrives. He also got his leg hung in a panel a few weeks back. Before that he seemed to be having stress colics. He would get a belly ache when removed from the mare, when the weather was changing, and after hauling. That has seemed to resolve though. So, with that, I haven't made a concrete decision with him. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | ~BINGO~ - 2016-09-27 3:30 PM The buckskin is my barrel horse. She's 13. 14.3ish hands. She's not the fastest thing out there. But runs 2d at smaller shows and 3D at larger ones. She's won me 3 buckles this year. :) The bay we bought as a prospect. He's a 6 year old OTTB. I just started him on the pattern a few months ago. I have gone back and forth about selling him. He tries so hard and is very mellow, which I love. But we've been battling with a few different things. He's come down with allergies and a cough, which I'm starting him on a product as soon as it arrives. He also got his leg hung in a panel a few weeks back. Before that he seemed to be having stress colics. He would get a belly ache when removed from the mare, when the weather was changing, and after hauling. That has seemed to resolve though. So, with that, I haven't made a concrete decision with him.
Way to go on your Mare!!
He is definitley going to have hock problems. Have you treated him for Ulcers? This may help him calm down a bit.
Conformationally, He wouldn't be my first choice for a barrel prospect. His neck tying in low shouldn't affect him unless you un with a breast collar. Because his neck is so low the breast collar may interfere with his airway. Just a thought to keep in mind while running. A lot of horses have this problem and people think they are just giving attitude when in reality, the can't breathe if the saddle shifts back and they have a breast collar on.
He will be a hard fit for a barrel saddle ( I assume you already knew that) LOL but other than that if he is willing I'd keep him. He will be a lot of maintenence in my opinion. Ulcers and hocks down the road would be tough for me to handle. But a lot of people handle it really well and can manage both easily.
I guess the question is: Are you willing to spend the time, money, and effort to keep him sane and healthy? If yes, go for it. If you are second guessing, I wouldn't waste any more time on him.  |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I'm hoping these pics load and are a bit better. I'm a one man show, so don't have anyone to hold a horse squared up.
This gelding is also the one I have posted about, trying to put weight on. We are still working on it. He's much better than he was. But seems to plateau after a few months on feed. So then we change it again. He has been treated for ulcers, had teeth floated, and several appointments with a chiropractor and a body balancer.
Hope these are a bit better and give more to go off of. Like I said, I am not completely sure as to what my future plans are with him.
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