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| Our county sheriff has already started the investigation and found fraud. Old people in nursing homes who didn't remember voting and didn't even know who the candidates were and lots of people who went to vote but were turned away because they were marked as already having voted. They are still investigating so it will be interesting to see what else they come up with. I am glad President Trump is pushing for voter fraud investigations. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | A good waste of taxpayer's money....whose to say that those illegal votes were NOT for Hillary and were FOR Trump.....LOL
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Location: Opelousas, LA | NJJ - 2017-01-25 6:17 PM A good waste of taxpayer's money....whose to say that those illegal votes were NOT for Hillary and were FOR Trump.....LOL
Fraud is fraud, needs to be taken care of for a change instead of the old "nothing to see here, move along". I can think of many things that are a waste of taxpayer $$$$, this is not one of them. |
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| NJJ - 2017-01-25 6:17 PM
A good waste of taxpayer's money....whose to say that those illegal votes were NOT for Hillary and were FOR Trump.....LOL
I have to disagree. If you put your head in the sand and ignore it you are encouraging more fraud. It needs to be stopped. No mention of who's side the fraud was on. It doesn't matter which side did it. What matters is it was done and needs to be stopped because it's illegal. |
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Location: Texas | I have worked as an election worker in my county since I retired about 8 years ago. I can tell you that people bring their relatives in to vote all the time who do not have the mental capacity to vote (either age related dementia or mental defect) but as long as they are registered and the person with them signs a form, they can 'help' them vote. There is no way for anyone to stop them. If you asked them the next day if they voted, I doubt they would remember. I live in a heavily Republican county and I can tell you they did not vote for Hillary.
They have made a big deal of dead people being on the voter list. If you don't vote during a 4 year election cycle, you are dropped from the list. If you didn't die but just didn't vote but you were dropped from the qualified voter's list, you can then vote provisional. We were not allowed to tell you that your vote will not count, but it won't. It will re-register you to vote in the next election and you will get a letter following the election to tell you that your provisional vote did not count. There were people who had never voted before, who were not registered, that we let vote provisional (because we could not tell them that they could not vote) but it did not count.
After working several different elections, local, state and national, I do not believe that the massive voter fraud of millions of voters is possible. |
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| RocketPilot - 2017-01-25 11:24 PM
I have worked as an election worker in my county since I retired about 8 years ago. I can tell you that people bring their relatives in to vote all the time who do not have the mental capacity to vote (either age related dementia or mental defect) but as long as they are registered and the person with them signs a form, they can 'help' them vote. There is no way for anyone to stop them. If you asked them the next day if they voted, I doubt they would remember. I live in a heavily Republican county and I can tell you they did not vote for Hillary.
They have made a big deal of dead people being on the voter list. If you don't vote during a 4 year election cycle, you are dropped from the list. If you didn't die but just didn't vote but you were dropped from the qualified voter's list, you can then vote provisional. We were not allowed to tell you that your vote will not count, but it won't. It will re-register you to vote in the next election and you will get a letter following the election to tell you that your provisional vote did not count. There were people who had never voted before, who were not registered, that we let vote provisional (because we could not tell them that they could not vote) but it did not count.
After working several different elections, local, state and national, I do not believe that the massive voter fraud of millions of voters is possible.
Not in South Texas- dead people have voting here since at least the 1950's. Duval county is famous for that. On Election Day people were on TV complaining about someone voting in their place. Voting is only as fair as the officials are. |
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| Different states have different voter laws, Democrats always fighting that voter ID laws are bad, which makes it easy to vote fraud. One college did a study in Virginia they caught a fair amount of fraud |
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| My concerns are geared more towards places like California where they passed a law that illegals could obtain a driver's license to vote....and all it takes to vote in California is a DL to vote. Or one state in the NE (Delaware maybe? Or New Hampshire.??) where there is no requirements at all except to just show up. I remember a two ago that the news was talking about how people were driving in from out of state to cast at least a second vote or driving from one district to another to vote multiple times. Or Chicago where the dead vote in every election. Heck Detroit did their own independent investigation and found that poll workers would run the ballot through multiple times, saying that the vote had not been registered each time....that one would be REAL easy. Then you have the poll workers hiding votes in the trunk of their car or put in storage that has been documented in the past.
But my biggest fear will be when they do/can manipulate the computerized machines as has been feared in this election. That will be much harder to prove or detect.....and it is not the Russians or any other outsiders I worry about but those within this country.
If it did happen in this past election and affected the outcome of this election, I really would not like it but would have to accept it. It does not have to be widespread, just in a few places where there is a close race. Like they said, if Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had gone the other way and I know Michigan was too close for comfort. Fortunately the fraud they found in the very Blue county where Detroit is located the fraud was in favor of Hillary which I think was a large factor in shutting up what's her face that was calling for the recounts, her or her money people. |
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Location: Texas | rodeoveteran - 2017-01-26 8:32 AM My concerns are geared more towards places like California where they passed a law that illegals could obtain a driver's license to vote....and all it takes to vote in California is a DL to vote. Or one state in the NE (Delaware maybe? Or New Hampshire.??) where there is no requirements at all except to just show up. I remember a two ago that the news was talking about how people were driving in from out of state to cast at least a second vote or driving from one district to another to vote multiple times. Or Chicago where the dead vote in every election. Heck Detroit did their own independent investigation and found that poll workers would run the ballot through multiple times, saying that the vote had not been registered each time....that one would be REAL easy. Then you have the poll workers hiding votes in the trunk of their car or put in storage that has been documented in the past. But my biggest fear will be when they do/can manipulate the computerized machines as has been feared in this election. That will be much harder to prove or detect.....and it is not the Russians or any other outsiders I worry about but those within this country. If it did happen in this past election and affected the outcome of this election, I really would not like it but would have to accept it. It does not have to be widespread, just in a few places where there is a close race. Like they said, if Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had gone the other way and I know Michigan was too close for comfort. Fortunately the fraud they found in the very Blue county where Detroit is located the fraud was in favor of Hillary which I think was a large factor in shutting up what's her face that was calling for the recounts, her or her money people.
If there are states that you don't actually have to register to vote, then people need to fight for legislation requiring voter registration. I am not farmilar with other states but cannot imagine states not requiring registration.
We had a lot of complaints about the electronic voting machines this year but really it is a very secure process. There is no internet connection, therefore no chance of being hacked. Paper ballots are run thru a machine that counts that ballot at the polling site. The number of people check/sign in has to match the number of ballots cast. Once the ballot is run thru the machine, it is counted and it would not make any difference if it was in someone's trunk unless there is a recount. In our county, a republican and democratic poll judge accompany the ballots and machines that keep the totals to the county courthouse to be turned in.
Every process is monitored by a people from both parties. If people in your area think that there are voter irregularities, they can always be a poll watcher. We don't have them very often, but people from either party can be at the polling place to watch everything that happens.
But again, for there to be millions of fraudulent votes, it would take massive organization and if you have massive organization those processes would not be a secret for very long. Anyone who has real doubts about the validity of there local election should get involved. |
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Location: Kansas | Barnmom - 2017-01-25 6:24 PM NJJ - 2017-01-25 6:17 PM A good waste of taxpayer's money....whose to say that those illegal votes were NOT for Hillary and were FOR Trump.....LOL Fraud is fraud, needs to be taken care of for a change instead of the old "nothing to see here, move along". I can think of many things that are a waste of taxpayer $$$$, this is not one of them.
Absolutely, illegal is illegal whichever way the vote is cast. I loved Mike Huckabee's comment calling illegal immigrants "illegal Democrats" as we all know which way they'll vote. They love the land of free stuff.
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I see that video was posted before the election. With the new president's belief that he lost the popular vote due to 3 to 5 million fraudulent votes, I am guessing the problem will be fixed before the next election. I guess we will see. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | RocketPilot - 2017-01-26 2:03 PM
I see that video was posted before the election. With the new president's belief that he lost the popular vote due to 3 to 5 million fraudulent votes, I am guessing the problem will be fixed before the next election. I guess we will see.
I hope someone is paying attention. I also heard her say it's OUR fault. We need to pay attention. I'm guilty. I don't want to be involved in my local government. I hate being in club politics too. I just don't want to be bothered with it. It's very stressful to me to try to work with people who I can't agree with. |
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| I seriously do not get the objection to voter ID. It's been the policy here ever since I have been able to vote (a long time). I have never heard any objections here that people are unable to vote because they have no ID. If you an illegal and cannot speak or write the language and have no LEGAL ID, then you should not vote. End of story. There are other forms of ID besides a DL. LEGAL immigrants have help to get them ID, to get them registered, to help with the language issues (while they learn English). The biggest barrier I see is transportation to the polls and while we can offer assistance the is no RIGHT to make sure that we can all get to the polls. I just don't see where ID is that big an issue. |
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