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| Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:19 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
So yes I do plan to go see him.
Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him.
Actually I DO want to breed to him but you apparently haven't bothered to read everything I have wrote. I don't blame the stallion auction, I simply misinterpreted which I have already said multiple times. I NEVER placed the blame for anything on anyone but myself. I bid because the way I interpreted the wording meant my costs would be HALF what they will be to ship semen and add in all the other extras. The cost I THOUGHT I had figured out was worth the gamble on a young up coming stallion. All of which I said multiple times. I post here so pepole can have an outside view and possibly give advise I haven't thought of, such as seeing if they collect and AI at the barn or not. Why I didn't think of that I have no clue, I should have. Lol. That option puts me closer to what I originally thought the whole deal would cost me.
Money isn't the real issue, the issue was how much of it I was willing to spend on a stud standing for his first year vs spending the same exact amount or just slightly more on a more proven stud since there are so many around the same price range. I placed the bid at the end of November so by the end of January after WAY too much has happened I did honestly forget about the auction.
I think her question is why would you bid on a stud that you are now having to go look at to be sure you want to breed your mare to. | |
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Location: California | veintiocho - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:19 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
So yes I do plan to go see him.
Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him.
Actually I DO want to breed to him but you apparently haven't bothered to read everything I have wrote. I don't blame the stallion auction, I simply misinterpreted which I have already said multiple times. I NEVER placed the blame for anything on anyone but myself. I bid because the way I interpreted the wording meant my costs would be HALF what they will be to ship semen and add in all the other extras. The cost I THOUGHT I had figured out was worth the gamble on a young up coming stallion. All of which I said multiple times. I post here so pepole can have an outside view and possibly give advise I haven't thought of, such as seeing if they collect and AI at the barn or not. Why I didn't think of that I have no clue, I should have. Lol. That option puts me closer to what I originally thought the whole deal would cost me.
Money isn't the real issue, the issue was how much of it I was willing to spend on a stud standing for his first year vs spending the same exact amount or just slightly more on a more proven stud since there are so many around the same price range. I placed the bid at the end of November so by the end of January after WAY too much has happened I did honestly forget about the auction.
I think her question is why would you bid on a stud that you are now having to go look at to be sure you want to breed your mare to.
I answered that question multiple times. At the time I placed the bid the way I interpreted what was written I though live cover was an option and that had the cost of breeding to this young upcoming stallion at half of what it is to ship semen and factor in all the fees that go along with it. | |
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| Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 12:04 PM
veintiocho - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:19 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
So yes I do plan to go see him.
Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him.
Actually I DO want to breed to him but you apparently haven't bothered to read everything I have wrote. I don't blame the stallion auction, I simply misinterpreted which I have already said multiple times. I NEVER placed the blame for anything on anyone but myself. I bid because the way I interpreted the wording meant my costs would be HALF what they will be to ship semen and add in all the other extras. The cost I THOUGHT I had figured out was worth the gamble on a young up coming stallion. All of which I said multiple times. I post here so pepole can have an outside view and possibly give advise I haven't thought of, such as seeing if they collect and AI at the barn or not. Why I didn't think of that I have no clue, I should have. Lol. That option puts me closer to what I originally thought the whole deal would cost me.
Money isn't the real issue, the issue was how much of it I was willing to spend on a stud standing for his first year vs spending the same exact amount or just slightly more on a more proven stud since there are so many around the same price range. I placed the bid at the end of November so by the end of January after WAY too much has happened I did honestly forget about the auction.
I think her question is why would you bid on a stud that you are now having to go look at to be sure you want to breed your mare to.
I answered that question multiple times. At the time I placed the bid the way I interpreted what was written I though live cover was an option and that had the cost of breeding to this young upcoming stallion at half of what it is to ship semen and factor in all the fees that go along with it.
So you'll breed your mare to any old stud just because they live cover? I don't think so. The question was, why did you place a bid on this stud if you are not sure about him.
I'm not picking on you, just trying to explain the question. :) | |
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Location: California | veintiocho - 2017-02-09 11:08 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 12:04 PM
veintiocho - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:19 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
So yes I do plan to go see him.
Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him.
Actually I DO want to breed to him but you apparently haven't bothered to read everything I have wrote. I don't blame the stallion auction, I simply misinterpreted which I have already said multiple times. I NEVER placed the blame for anything on anyone but myself. I bid because the way I interpreted the wording meant my costs would be HALF what they will be to ship semen and add in all the other extras. The cost I THOUGHT I had figured out was worth the gamble on a young up coming stallion. All of which I said multiple times. I post here so pepole can have an outside view and possibly give advise I haven't thought of, such as seeing if they collect and AI at the barn or not. Why I didn't think of that I have no clue, I should have. Lol. That option puts me closer to what I originally thought the whole deal would cost me.
Money isn't the real issue, the issue was how much of it I was willing to spend on a stud standing for his first year vs spending the same exact amount or just slightly more on a more proven stud since there are so many around the same price range. I placed the bid at the end of November so by the end of January after WAY too much has happened I did honestly forget about the auction.
I think her question is why would you bid on a stud that you are now having to go look at to be sure you want to breed your mare to.
I answered that question multiple times. At the time I placed the bid the way I interpreted what was written I though live cover was an option and that had the cost of breeding to this young upcoming stallion at half of what it is to ship semen and factor in all the fees that go along with it.
So you'll breed your mare to any old stud just because they live cover? I don't think so. The question was, why did you place a bid on this stud if you are not sure about him.
I'm not picking on you, just trying to explain the question. : )
My reasoning is in the screen shot of his information, it's also on another post.
Bull is a proven performer with impeccable breeding. From the pics I have seen I do really like him. So like I said multiple times, At the time I placed the bid the cost of what I thought it all would be since he isn't that far away was half what it is with collecting semen, shipping, adding in vet fees for the whole process and hoping she's bred on the first round. For $1175 I can bred to any number of proven performers and proven producers.
I posted here for outside perspective right when I received the email saying I won the auction before I talked to Bull's owner. I'm glad I did because someone messaged me and recommended that I ask if they can collect and AI on site which I should have thought of but didn't. That options puts me more towards my original thought on cost. So yes for $1175 vs what I originally thought it wold cost made me second guess a bit. | |
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| Murphy - 2017-02-08 9:41 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-07 11:07 PM The stud fee I paid is honestly the cheapest part of the whole equation. Lol. Idk I'm the type of person that over thinks EVERYTHING. If i could at least get some decent side pics it would make me feel better. I can't even find any win photos. If i decided to not use the breeding I would ask Bull's owner if it was ok to sell it. If she said no then I'd have to respect that. I honestly have no clue at this point.
It sucks to say, but the stud fee is usually always the cheapest part of breeding.
which is why I have an open mare. LOL
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I would just email the owners and stallion auction and see if selling the breeding is an option. You may still choose to keep/use it but at least then you know if this is even an option.
Then you need to think about your goals. Are you going to breed to sell or to keep?
If you are breeding to sell, the proven stud may be a better option. But paints don't have the easiest resell. Some may actually prefer something with color in that case so you may want to go with the paint sire. | |
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Location: California | oija - 2017-02-09 1:31 PM
I would just email the owners and stallion auction and see if selling the breeding is an option. You may still choose to keep/use it but at least then you know if this is even an option.
Then you need to think about your goals. Are you going to breed to sell or to keep?
If you are breeding to sell, the proven stud may be a better option. But paints don't have the easiest resell. Some may actually prefer something with color in that case so you may want to go with the paint sire.
I'm not planning on selling the foal but it always has to be kept in mind because we all know life happens.
Thank you everyone! Any and all input is greatly appreciated! | |
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