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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| I have a horse that needs to go on a No hay diet. I'm trying to make this the most cost effective as I can. At 18 dollars a bale for chaff hay and 20 dollars a bag for feed all I see is dollar signs. What does everyone do that has to feed a no hay diet? What do you feed and how many pounds of each? Thanks!
Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2017-02-16 8:19 PM
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Location: Arkansas | My no hay guy is because of his age/no teeth, not his health, so a little different obviously. He gets 6 lbs of Purina Sr Active twice a day with 4 cups of beet pulp. Also 2 lbs of rice bran and his Platinum CJ. It's not cheap by any means, so I understand seeing $$$!!!! |
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Location: Texas | Nutrena Triumph Senior is the cheapest complete feed I was able to find for my senior horse that could not eat hay. It was around $12-13 a bag. He was fatter and shinier on this than he was on Nutrena Senior or Purina Senior. It's hard to find but it was the only complete feed my gelding would eat. It was all he ate so he got about #16-18 lbs a day. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-02-16 8:11 PM
I have a horse that needs to go on a No hay diet. I'm trying to make this the most cost effective as I can. At 18 dollars a bale for chaff hay and 20 dollars a bag for feed all I see is dollar signs. What does everyone do that has to feed a no hay diet? What do you feed and how many pounds of each? Thanks!
What's wrong with your horse??
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-02-17 1:05 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-02-16 8:11 PM
I have a horse that needs to go on a No hay diet. I'm trying to make this the most cost effective as I can. At 18 dollars a bale for chaff hay and 20 dollars a bag for feed all I see is dollar signs. What does everyone do that has to feed a no hay diet? What do you feed and how many pounds of each? Thanks!
What's wrong with your horse??
Heaves/ allergies. I've steamed hay and it's not enough. So it's time to try a no hay diet. |
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Location: West Texas | I don't think you will have to go without hay. What hay cube choices do you have in your area? I think that would be the best solution to your issue. With the allergies, you might call and talk to Curost to see what they may can do for you.
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Location: Deep South | Tdove - 2017-02-17 8:30 AM
I don't think you will have to go without hay. What hay cube choices do you have in your area? I think that would be the best solution to your issue. With the allergies, you might call and talk to Curost to see what they may can do for you.
I agree. Hopefully no hay doesn't mean no forage. Is cubes a possibility. Soaked cubes? Or at least hay/alfalfa pellets?
Herbie has gone to hell and back with her horse and his allergies. Has him looking and feeling fantastic now. I would pm her. |
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Location: Utah | I have one horse that can't have any hay. This includes cubes pellets or any complete feed with hay as an ingredient. We tried him on several types of hay and he could not eat anything with hay in it. We worked with our vets and had an allergy test done on him. He has been eating a diet of Omolene 400 for 6 years and is doing great. we do add mineral and apple cider viniger. It is $17 a bag so not cheap but it is the only thing that has worked. He normally gets 12 lbs a day we add a 1/2 lb extra when it is really cold or he is worked hard. |
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Location: NE Texas | I dealt with allergies and respiratory issues for several years on a horse of mine until one day it went from allergies to full blown respiratory distress. I'd spent thousands on vets with no improvement and had exceeded all medical options. Even on 8 - 10 cc of Ventipulmin and Dex my horse still could not take a deep enough breath to cough and I was advised to put him down. I wasn't ready to do that and felt there had to be some reason this was happening, after all, he was just a 5 yo when this happened. I began researching and through that stumbled across Dr. Schell and the Cur-Ost products. I messaged him on a whim and with a great deal of skepticism, as i'm not a "supplement" person really. After consulting with him for about 2 weeks, and him taking the time to explain to me what was going on, how the gut was related to these issues and his immune system over reacting, he asked me to give him 2 weeks on his program. This was a literal last resort for me and I was so broke from the vet bills i'd accumulated, I had to sell my saddle to pay for my first month of product. I had nothing to lose except more money.....and my horse. Boy am I glad I took that leap of faith. In 2 weeks I went from a horse who literally couldn't cough, to a horse who was coughing incessantly, which freaked me out. I contacted Dr. Schell again and he said GOOD, encourage him to move around a little bit, we've got to cough all that trash up, so I began jogging him in the roundpen for 2 minutes each direction. By the end of week three, no more coughing and at 4 weeks I started back riding and haven't looked back. When I began this program, I completely changed my feed regimen and stopped all medications cold turkey on this horse. He was getting daily Ventipulmin and Dex, as well daily omeprazole prior to Cur-Ost. I was feeding a $35/bag feed at 2 scoops twice a day with a large amount of steamed or soaked coastal hay. I stopped all that cold turkey, feed, hay, and medications.
Nurtition is such a huge part of the equation when it comes to inflammation and overall health, even allergies. After I began sharing my results, I began getting messages from others, and when I would tell them the feed program, they would tell me that wasn't an option because their horse was allergic to this or that. The problem with allergy testing is that when the immune system is over reacting and not functioning properly, you can get false positives from it. Smokingirlie on here has a mare who she also has dealt with horrible respiratory issues with. The mare tested highly allergic to oats, and alfalfa I think (she can correct me if i'm wrong). She was scared to try this due to those "allergies". Now that is all the mare eats, oats and alfalfa, and Cur-OST of course, and she too hasn't looked back or had any other issues.
It's amazing the things that fall into place once the diet is improved, inflammation is managed, and the immune system is functioning as it should. The benefits of this program far exceed improvement in respiratory issues. My feed bill is LESS than what it was before, including my Cur-OST, and my vet bills are certainly less! I haven't had to go to the vet for anything other than coggins in over 2 years. I don't have sore horses anymore. My horse's feet are hard and good. I don't have ulcer issues, I don't have soundness issues, no sore backs or stiff joints. I love the Cur-Ost products and will never be without them in my barn. With only feeding a pound of oats and a cup of boss once a day, the rest is a flake of alfalfal twice a day.....pretty simplistic and affordable program.
Here's what the Cur-Ost program did for my horse in 30 days. Don't let allergies keep you from feeding a horse as nature intended....it could be they aren't allergies at all!
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| I've gone through hell and back with my horse too. I've spent several thousands. I've Steamed his hay, done rounds of dex, fluticasone inhalers, ventipulmon, albuterol, nebulizers, countless scopes and bals. He is on curost and has been for over 4 months at the highest doses. I've used the total and the immune then switched to the revive with the total. There is no improvement and I've consulted with Dr. Schell. I've spent over 800 dollars with curost. It's not enough. I need to cut out the actual problem which is hay.... That is the only proper way to manage allergies that are hay related. Maybe once that is done curost will help him more. My horse has mast cell mediated IAD which is much harder to treat compared to the very common neutrophil Derived IAD/ RAO. Mast cell mediated IAD doesn't respond to steroids very well through oral, injection or inhaled either.... |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Im asking what everyone feeds and how much. I have access to alfalfa cubes, pellets and chaffhaye. He is already getting alfalfa pellets, vit/ min and steamed hay. |
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Location: North Dakota | When I did no hay for my heaves horse several years ago, I chose to do senior feed and alfalfa/Timothy pellets and cubes and soaked the cubes and pellets for a long time to avoid choke and any dust at all. My mare hated it and it stressed her out. My mare still needed dex even on cubes and senior.
After some research I put her on a high dose of vitamin C and MSM and those two things together got her back on regular hay.
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| Is this horse one you compete on or just a pet now ? I'm having allergy probs too and I'm just going to retire him at only 10yrs old but I cant and won't put him through the stress of competing he breathes so bad :( Just was curious |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| It's a horse I compete on. He's not ready for retirement yet. I just want to do what I can for him. |
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| My horse absolutely refuses to eat curost no matter what I put it in, so I cannot get her to recommend dose. I gues no one else has a problem |
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Location: Texas | i would soak alfalfa cubes and feed timothy pellets or alfalfa pellets.. you can also try and find a complete feed that has forage in it like equine senior. technically with senior you don't have to supplement with forage.
Is he worse in the winter, summer, or does it matter? does stalling him versus keeping him out change anything? |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| casualdust07 - 2017-02-18 9:22 AM
i would soak alfalfa cubes and feed timothy pellets or alfalfa pellets.. you can also try and find a complete feed that has forage in it like equine senior. technically with senior you don't have to supplement with forage.
Is he worse in the winter, summer, or does it matter? does stalling him versus keeping him out change anything?
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | put your horse on Forco. bio-hesper C/K vitamin E. and Re-Coup. double dose (all) and do it twice a day for a week. then regular once a day.Got to give the gut a fighting chance. Do for a solid 90 days. rome wasn't built in day so don't expect results overnight. it takes the gut 90 days to regain a stable flora of consistency. every time the feed is changed so is the gut. |
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