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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-02-27 4:26 PM What's with these "cleansers"? How does that work? Do they detoxify? Speaking of detoxification and cleansers, can anyone name the substances that are cleansed, or the toxins that are removed? It's a cool sounding idea. I'm sure I have some toxic stuff in my body, but what is it?
I drink dandelion tea a lot for a body "flush" LOL It sounds gross and it is but it just keeps everything flowing. Think probiotics for horses. ( I can't handle yogurt so I use the tea. It's gentle.)
Dandelion is a kidney/liver flush. We all know what the Kidney's function is and we all know what the livers function is so keeping them flushed of build up is important to me. (Hello Happy Hour LOL)
My midwife had me start drinking it when I was pregnant to flush out extra water weight etc.
You have to be careful with cleanses because not only does it flush out toxins it flushes out nutrients from your body as well. I did a 14 day cleanse 3 times with about 20 days in between bottles. I used it to jumpstart my metabolism and then stopped using it once my metabolism was "working" well again. I now drink water with lemon and cucumber instead. Those two are natural cleanses but aren't as harsh on the body as made made chemical or herbal flushes. They just jumpstart your metabolism is all. You can then rely on your diet and metabolism to burn unwanted fat.  | |
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Location: SW North Dakota | Bear - 2017-02-27 3:31 PM Is anyone familiar with the fable, "Stone Soup"? Some of these diet regimens remind me of that story. They convince you that some herbal potient will burn fat, detoxify, and cleanse. They say it works even better if you supplement the potient with a diet of water, cucumbers, and radishes. They guarantee it works. I believe them.
Agree with this. I will add however, that like a lot of equine supplements, if you THINK they are helping, usually they are. Sometimes that's enough to provide the extra motivation it takes to keep going! I'm not saying they clinically "work," I'm saying the placebo effect has its place. Weightloss is the perfect place where a placebo (also meaning it isn't causing harm) might be perfect! If you feel good, you're more likely to continue with the village donations (to expand on your analogy)... keep eating better, start exercising, etc.
Weightloss isn't easy. Perhaps the stone soup diet is the latest craze.
The formula is pretty simple, no matter how you do it- consume less calories than you expend. A pound (of fat) is burned every (-3500) calories. If you need a kickstart with a fancy label, do it! Just make sure it won't cause harm.
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Location: SW North Dakota | The old South Beach Diet was the most sensible lifestyle eating plan made, IMO. Nothing fancy about it, super easy. Just don't eat anything processed and avoid quickly digested fruit sugars. Nothing to count or remember. Essentially free. I lost 40 pounds in 4 months on it and was able to keep it off for 10 years (I'd have to "remind" myself about every 3 years or so- hahah).
I just looked up the new SBD and it's a lot of convenience food. Disappointing, but I suppose they had to make money somehow | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-02-27 4:44 PMw
Bear - 2017-02-27 4:26 PM What's with these "cleansers"? How does that work? Do they detoxify? Speaking of detoxification and cleansers, can anyone name the substances that are cleansed, or the toxins that are removed? It's a cool sounding idea. I'm sure I have some toxic stuff in my body, but what is it?
I drink dandelion tea a lot for a body "flush" LOL It sounds gross and it is but it just keeps everything flowing. Think probiotics for horses. ( I can't handle yogurt so I use the tea. It's gentle.)
Dandelion is a kidney/liver flush. We all know what the Kidney's function is and we all know what the livers function is so keeping them flushed of build up is important to me. (Hello Happy Hour LOL)
My midwife had me start drinking it when I was pregnant to flush out extra water weight etc.
You have to be careful with cleanses because not only does it flush out toxins it flushes out nutrients from your body as well. I did a 14 day cleanse 3 times with about 20 days in between bottles. I used it to jumpstart my metabolism and then stopped using it once my metabolism was "working" well again. I now drink water with lemon and cucumber instead. Those two are natural cleanses but aren't as harsh on the body as made made chemical or herbal flushes. They just jumpstart your metabolism is all. You can then rely on your diet and metabolism to burn unwanted fat.
Yes, but what exactly do you mean by "flush"? That sounds great, but what are you flushing? How do you flush the kidneys and liver? They talk about a kidney flush and a liver flush. What's the difference? What is the composition of these flushes and how do they work selectively? Don't you think it's a bunch of junk?
Do you like colon cleansing as well?
I've asked this question for many years on this forum, and have yet to get an answer.
Is it just too complicated? What are these toxins everyone talks about? Are they some sort of evil spirit? Are they poisons? Are these the same toxins that you extract overnight by putting onion slices on the soles of your feet and wearing socks?
I thought I had a buildup of toxins the other night, but it was just a real bad fart.
The only toxin was me.....she flushed my ass out the bedroom into the living room.
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | Trust me when I say, yes I tried everything, EVERYTHING under the sun and anything. But nothing worked. I finally had gastric bypass surgery in 2007 and lost 135 pounds, going from a size 24-26 down to a size 2. Finally stabilized at a 10-12 and maintained for many years. BUT this is only a tool, you can and will cheat even on this. You can regain all the lost weight PLUS. What I am trying to get at is, you must stick to a good diet, really stick to eating healthy, cutting out the sodas and all sweets. Make up your mind to eliminate all the fluff and stick to health portion control eating. Other than that, nothing OTC will make it thru the years. It will be hard, yes you will fail a few times and you swear you will do better. Just get back into a groove, make a real effort. Plenty of folks will support your attempte, just ask. Good luck, its hard but can be done. | |
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Location: North Dakota | janjan1 - 2017-02-28 7:29 AM Trust me when I say, yes I tried everything, EVERYTHING under the sun and anything. But nothing worked. I finally had gastric bypass surgery in 2007 and lost 135 pounds
So .... sounds like before gastric bypass, you did NOT try eating smaller portions? (That's essentially what gastric bypass forces you to do = eat smaller portions.)
And I don't mean to be snotty when I say that. Really I don't. If the gastric bypass worked for you, fantastic! That's a great acommplishment you achieved. But it seems like everyone says "I tried everything!" when the real answer was so simple and basic (eat less). And yes, I understand that's a big mental game to do so ... which can be helped "forcefully" with the gastric bypass.
Anyway ... food for thought! (*pun intended*)
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | You are so correct. I did not have the will power to make portion control work for me for very long. I ended up blowing even that out of the water. I had no will power to over come the power of food. Eating wrong & too much of items really is a addiction, because it tastes so good. The tongue & stomach force the brain to eat, eat eat. Thus my last option was surgery. Portion control is basically what gastric bypass forces you to do.....but even with that, you can cheat. Even tho you will get sick, as I did, vomiting etc, because I ate something sweet, people forget that even the surgery is a TOOL. If you sip milkshakes all the time, you can cheat the portion control side of bypass. Some people can tolerate the sweet items, I am not one. But you have to learn with this tool what works. When my hair started falling out, my MD suggested more protein. Everyone is different. I have two SIL that had the "sleeve" & "band" surgery for weight loss. Both have found ways to "cheat" and have not lost as much as I did. In fact, one is currently going to a weight loss clinic now to aide her in getting things under control, drugs for her is helping curb her addiction. Over the years you have heard of the latest & greatest diet, everyone raves over how much they lost, the boiled egg diet, the banana diet, the cabbage soup diet...so on and so on. But until you hit rock bottom, all the diets, quick weight loss stuff is just another splash in the pan. Eventually everyone hits the bottom and cries because of their weight. Just like me. But in ending, I will say, Nothing Ever tastes so good as being a smaller healthy size. | |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | Been going on 2 years now but I made lifestyle changes. Cutting out sugar, trying to stay away from overly processed foods. And picking worth while cheats. Not going to eat a mediocore brownie over something much more worth while. And I take a probiotic once a day, multi vitamin, and drink Cellucor HD weight loss in place of my lunch. I have lost 25 lbs in the 2 years. Also got a vitamin panel drawn to see what I was deficient in plus I got my thyroid checked to make sure those levels weren't off also. | |
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Location: So Cal | r_beau - 2017-02-28 9:00 AM
janjan1 - 2017-02-28 7:29 AM Trust me when I say, yes I tried everything, EVERYTHING under the sun and anything. But nothing worked. I finally had gastric bypass surgery in 2007 and lost 135 pounds
So .... sounds like before gastric bypass, you did NOT try eating smaller portions? (That's essentially what gastric bypass forces you to do = eat smaller portions.)
And I don't mean to be snotty when I say that. Really I don't. If the gastric bypass worked for you, fantastic! That's a great acommplishment you achieved. But it seems like everyone says "I tried everything!" when the real answer was so simple and basic (eat less). And yes, I understand that's a big mental game to do so ... which can be helped "forcefully" with the gastric bypass.
Anyway ... food for thought! (*pun intended*)
This has been my realization recently.. I really do not know anyone who honestly controlled what they ate, kept a calorie deficit for a significant amount of time, and could not lose weight. I used a tracking app and honestly logged everything I ate (or drank!) for a couple weeks. One meal eating out (especially if you drink anything with calories) can easily be a day's worth of calories. Really paying attention to how many calories are in everything kind of makes you wake up and realize why you aren't losing. People over-complicate it, but a calorie deficit is what will make you lose weight. | |
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Location: MN | If you want to lose SUPER fast, look up the keto diet, may be hard to maintain long term as I love carbs, however right now, I am down under 20 carbs a day and high protein, lots of water and on the treadmill at a high incline 30 min. a day 5 days a week, plus planks, and i'm losing. | |
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Location: MN | also, NO refined sugar, and very few fruits at first, your body needs to go into ketosis which is where it starts using its fat storage as energy. NO pop, chips, potatoes, bread, rice, ice cream. Lots of hard boiled eggs, bacon, hamburger, cheese, tuna, salad, salad dressing, veggies, nuts, some peanut butter, etc | |
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Location: CTX | snoopy - 2017-03-02 12:27 PM If you want to lose SUPER fast, look up the keto diet, may be hard to maintain long term as I love carbs, however right now, I am down under 20 carbs a day and high protein, lots of water and on the treadmill at a high incline 30 min. a day 5 days a week, plus planks, and i'm losing.
^^ this, I started this way of eating on Jan 18th and am down 20lbs. Am now 10lbs from my goal weight, and hope to get there before bikini time!!! | |
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Location: Kansas | 1DSoon - 2017-02-27 7:07 AM
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| there is no magic pill, really. But dedication and willpower works. I have lost 21# and 19 inches so far by eating clean, drinking at least 120 oz of water a day, and doing a 15 minute HIIT work out in my office each day. Usually I have to remind myself to eat MORE. There are no "off limit" foods, but making better choices is a lifestyle change. Now that I am not used to convenience foods they are more of a "do I have to?" selection in a pinch rather than an "I NEED this!" food choice. (The smart choice is to bring your prepackaged clean food rather than eat at the concession stand or fast food.) | |
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| I haven't read the others but find an Ideal Protein clinic near you! I've seen wonderful weight loss results and improved health (patients go off of meds, diabetes meds, etc) in patients at the clinic I work at! There's a Facebook group called Ideal Protein Phase 1 Supporters, I recommend being added to it and looking at other's stories and pictures and ask questions. I was skeptical when I first started working there, but am seriously impressed!! | |
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