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| Before I start... already made a appointment with my vet, called her today.
Anyways... I took my gelding to the vet for hock injections, when he was lunged, he was grade 2 off on his front left, just the first handful of steps were "off" then he trotted out of it beautifully..
So, pulled the shoe took x rays, nothing wrong. Flexed beautiful. No suspensory problems nothing like that. But he was sensitive to the hoof testers at "medial sole at quarter of hoof"
He hasn't been off anymore sense the vet, I packed good 2-3 a week with good pack, epsom salt all that and he's been fine. He's been in a stall the last two days due to weather and today when I got him out to put him in his pasture, the first 5 steps were dramatically off. Then again he was fine trotted loped off beautiful in the pasture.
Any ideas!!!!???? X rays showed no rotation, no signs of navicular, no nothing! He ran 2 weekends ago, wasn't off any during the weekend, hasn't been off at all until I pulled him from his stall this morning.
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| Maybe he was just stiff from being in the stall for two days. Once he starts moving around he works out the stiffness and is fine. |
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| SloRide - 2017-03-14 2:42 PM Maybe he was just stiff from being in the stall for two days. Once he starts moving around he works out the stiffness and is fine.
but only one hoof? Why not the any others? I don't want to keep ignoring what's right in front of me and it become a big problem.
My vet and I assumed a stone bruise, but would it be off and on lameness? And would it have lasted this long? |
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| We bought a mare for my husband in late September. She'd been turned out for almost a year and we started lightly riding her when we got her. Within 2 weeks, she was a bit off. It was a come and go type deal for a few months. One of those you look at her and go is she limping? I cant tell. Just a slight off. We only rode her a few times between september and november. Maybe 5-8 times and never hard. In early december she started really limping. So I treated it like an abscess. Soaking, wrapping, the whole 9 yards. A few days after Christmas she was REALLY lame. So I took her in one evening. When I dropped her off the vet said she was foundering. I disagreed but asked him to really look at her in the AM. He calls us the next evening and said he was puzzled. When I dropped her off he thought she was foundering. Went out that morning and she is making laps in her pen SOUND. Caught her to do a lameness and she was 3 legged lame on the concrete. Put her back in the pen and shes sound. He hoof tested her. Nada. X rays showed great sole and no rotation. He finally diagnosed her with Navicular bursitis and said there might be a calcium deposit betweent the DDFT and coffin bone and said she would be broodmare sound only. We also injectedher feet, and several other tests. Cant remember right now.
I wasnt satisfied so I contacted another vet about shockwave treatment. He asked lots of questions. I sent videos and a copy of the rads. He thought she might have white line disease so had me call the farrier to check her. The morning the Farrier comes out she blew a 2 inch abscess out of the top of her hoof near the back. She was still slightly lame but not near as bad as she was....
4+ months is what it took to finally burst. He said give her a chance to heal and then he wanted to put her in wedges and stand her back up. Lack of farrier care for years had her angles ALL messed up. She is SOUND now and I've started riding her. She feels good. In fact she is due for a reset this week. Good luck with your guy. Feet issues are tough! |
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| Jazz's Girl - 2017-03-14 4:49 PM
We bought a mare for my husband in late September. She'd been turned out for almost a year and we started lightly riding her when we got her. Within 2 weeks, she was a bit off. It was a come and go type deal for a few months. One of those you look at her and go is she limping? I cant tell. Just a slight off. We only rode her a few times between september and november. Maybe 5-8 times and never hard. In early december she started really limping. So I treated it like an abscess. Soaking, wrapping, the whole 9 yards. A few days after Christmas she was REALLY lame. So I took her in one evening. When I dropped her off the vet said she was foundering. I disagreed but asked him to really look at her in the AM. He calls us the next evening and said he was puzzled. When I dropped her off he thought she was foundering. Went out that morning and she is making laps in her pen SOUND. Caught her to do a lameness and she was 3 legged lame on the concrete. Put her back in the pen and shes sound. He hoof tested her. Nada. X rays showed great sole and no rotation. He finally diagnosed her with Navicular bursitis and said there might be a calcium deposit betweent the DDFT and coffin bone and said she would be broodmare sound only. We also injectedher feet, and several other tests. Cant remember right now.
I wasnt satisfied so I contacted another vet about shockwave treatment. He asked lots of questions. I sent videos and a copy of the rads. He thought she might have white line disease so had me call the farrier to check her. The morning the Farrier comes out she blew a 2 inch abscess out of the top of her hoof near the back. She was still slightly lame but not near as bad as she was....
4+ months is what it took to finally burst. He said give her a chance to heal and then he wanted to put her in wedges and stand her back up. Lack of farrier care for years had her angles ALL messed up. She is SOUND now and I've started riding her. She feels good. In fact she is due for a reset this week. Good luck with your guy. Feet issues are tough!
Reading this my heart was in my feet! I was waiting for the "now she's retired in my pasture doing nothing ending" I'm glad it was only an abscess.
My gelding isn't ever off consistently though. He was off on the day of the vet January 11th.. and he's been rode and hauled sense then, then today was ouchy.(on concrete) After 4 or 5 steps he was fine!
I honestly had not noticed him off before the vet if he was and I like to think I'm pretty good st picking up on those things.
My farrier didn't find anything, said it could be a corn, a bruise or sorts of other things.
I have moved beginning of the year and his new pasture 5 acres was growing rocks, all or most sense have been removed |
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| Neither was she until December. Thinking back on it, we took her to him in October and had him check her. He couldnt find anything. Said her feet were really good. Wasnt off on a lameness. No sole tenderness. She would limp here, limp there. If that makes sense. Ive dealt with a torn meniscus on my now retired mare and spurs in hocks of the mare Im currently running (she came to me with the issues). Injections, OE Gamechanger and monthy shots of Pentosan are helping her. Feet and leg issues suck! Prayers your guy gets to feeling better!!!! |
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| i just cant think of anything that would make him on and off unsound other than an abscess. he had one a couple months back that blew half his heel off. it was gnarly!! but its sense healed up fine.
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Location: Heart of Texas | Your initial post makes me think he was just stiff from a few days in the stall. My mare is LAZY and doesn't hardly move when stalled. So her first few steps can be off after a few days if I have to lock em up. Other possible causes...good lord. If the hoof is sound, could be a knee injury, elbow, ankle or shoulder injury. Just recently the same mare took a bad step while breezing and hurt her elbow. The lameness signs pointed to an abscess (slight stumbling on hard ground, head bob at the trot, just 'off'), farrier coulnt find anything, but it was my chiro who found it in her elbow. That was about 4 weeks of pasture rest that sucked. But just wanted to point out not all lameness is in the hoof. Perhaps there is some residual soreness else where from being mis-shoed for so long? |
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| Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-03-15 8:44 PM
i just cant think of anything that would make him on and off unsound other than an abscess. he had one a couple months back that blew half his heel off. it was gnarly!! but its sense healed up fine.
anyone else got any ideas??
If it is heel pan, it could be due to contracted heels. I had the same thing with a gelding I used to own.
First vet did X-rays, blocked, etc diagnosed with laminitis.
I mentioned to the farrier his heels looked contracted, I was brushed off.
I took him to my regular vet, 1 foot off the trailer, he diagnosed him. He did the block, X-rays, etc to rule out everything else.
Contracted heels, 12 months of farrier work at 250 every month he was vetted sound.
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| jewishprincess - 2017-03-16 10:28 AM Your initial post makes me think he was just stiff from a few days in the stall. My mare is LAZY and doesn't hardly move when stalled. So her first few steps can be off after a few days if I have to lock em up. Other possible causes...good lord. If the hoof is sound, could be a knee injury, elbow, ankle or shoulder injury. Just recently the same mare took a bad step while breezing and hurt her elbow. The lameness signs pointed to an abscess (slight stumbling on hard ground, head bob at the trot, just 'off'), farrier coulnt find anything, but it was my chiro who found it in her elbow. That was about 4 weeks of pasture rest that sucked. But just wanted to point out not all lameness is in the hoof. Perhaps there is some residual soreness else where from being mis-shoed for so long?
my vet flexed for the ankle elbow all that, just to make sure and he flexed off beautifully!
she didnt think twice about it
He's been out in the pasture sense this post and hasnt been off at all. and he runs bucks and plays.
my appoiment is friday at 3 so i guess we'll see    |
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Location: Phoenix | Thanks for sharing the results! You know I've heard a lot of people who work with feet say that when you use the wedges to help the heels you actually make it worse? Like it doesn't actually help. Maybe do a search on this forum and you'll see the discussions on the affectiveness of wedges.
I look forward to your second update with the other vet! |
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| He's to nice to just bute and run. Id rather save myself the time, heartache and trouble and just have the problem taken care of now. |
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| hammer_time - 2017-03-17 6:13 PM Thanks for sharing the results! You know I've heard a lot of people who work with feet say that when you use the wedges to help the heels you actually make it worse? Like it doesn't actually help. Maybe do a search on this forum and you'll see the discussions on the affectiveness of wedges.
I look forward to your second update with the other vet!
yes i will never put wedges on anything i own ever again! he only had them for 11 weeks. i pulled them today, it wouldve been his 3rd shoeing cycle today.
Dont do it! i dont know what i was thinking. |
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| I am interested to hear what you find. Here is my story:
My gelding has upright pasterns, check ligament surgery helped him as a baby but didn't fix him entirely. Due to confirmational flaws, we had him in a wedge to correct his angles. Its worked for years. Except every spring, he got his hint of a lameness. More just uncomfortable. Took him in and did rads, blocks, etc. No navicular or rotation. I was convinced it was feet but didn't know what. Vet says, I think his angles aren't high enough. He said your farrier is doing a great job but because his angles are so poor, hes got him bearable but he should be increased another degree or two because I don't think the coffin joint can slide right. I think it "jars."
Put him in a 2 degree wedge w/ 2 degree pad. Again, worked perfect. Ran great all summer.
October and he looked off.. but worked out of it. Then went 3 legged lame. Figured abcess. Soaked and wrapped... nothing ever blue. Vet comes out and said his heel seems to have rolled under him because of the shoe. Put him barefoot and give him time off... basically he was stumped...
My gelding is sound sometimes. Lame when the ground is hard...
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-03-17 6:52 PM http://wheredoesmyhorsehurt.com/save-your-horses-suspensory/[/quote...
I think the wedges did it for me, so does my vets. WE put them on for contracted heels and i should have known better!!! ingorance is bliss so they say. Im hoping sense its only been 10 weeks with the wedges its just something very minor and i can give him the rest of march off and haul him in april. Hes already had 3 weeks off due to my life being so hetic right now. im gonna start cold hosing him everyday i dont know if i should keep him stalled or not? anyone have any advice? |
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| Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2017-03-14 1:36 PM
Before I start... already made a appointment with my vet, called her today.
Anyways... I took my gelding to the vet for hock injections, when he was lunged, he was grade 2 off on his front left, just the first handful of steps were "off" then he trotted out of it beautifully..
So, pulled the shoe took x rays, nothing wrong. Flexed beautiful. No suspensory problems nothing like that. But he was sensitive to the hoof testers at "medial sole at quarter of hoof"
He hasn't been off anymore sense the vet, I packed good 2-3 a week with good pack, epsom salt all that and he's been fine. He's been in a stall the last two days due to weather and today when I got him out to put him in his pasture, the first 5 steps were dramatically off. Then again he was fine trotted loped off beautiful in the pasture.
Any ideas!!!!???? X rays showed no rotation, no signs of navicular, no nothing! He ran 2 weekends ago, wasn't off any during the weekend, hasn't been off at all until I pulled him from his stall this morning.
Not all X-ray machines are equal. I have learned some X-rays can miss blatant fractures when others it glows.
Also X-rays will not show early stages of abscesses. If you soak the foot in iodine for a week, then go back and xray, you may see something.
Was the horse blocked? Where did the horse block sound? If this isn't done I would go back and start with the block.
Even in the foot the block will tell you if it is the toe, or navicular. |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-03-18 9:57 AM
It appears we fear the black horse
I noticed that as well.
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