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Location: North Dakota | winwillows - 2017-05-17 4:42 PM Nutrena admitted the contamination because they could not deny it. The levels shown were from the samples tested and may not be representative of what else was in the bag that these two horses actually ate. If something had hung up in the system and ended up in that feed, there could easily have been a hot spot and not an even distribution throughout the bag tested. Who knows. The safe choice, pun intended, is to simply buy your feed from companies that do not make medicated feeds, or use ingredients from sources that do. If you do not have any medications on the property, this will not happen.
It could have even been from the prior bag of feed, one that was fed up and never tested. Then say you crack into a new bag, horses die...test the feed and the levels come back low. Makes ya think?!! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-05-17 2:37 PM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 11:54 AM The feed tested positive for monensin, yes even Nutrena posted that. I never said there wasn't monensin in the feed, I said I'll believe it when the tissue report comes back proving that cause of death. The feed could have that in it and the horses could have still died from something else entirely. But the tissue sample reports apparently aren't out yet from what I can see. Each person is going to have their own opinions about it anyway. The whole point of my original response was completely disregarded, so I'm just going to be done or else this is going to end up one of those never ending beating a dead horse posts. You should NOT FEEL OK with ANY amounts of ANY ionophores in your horses feed. PERIOD. ZIP ZILCH ZERO...
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rodeomom3 - 2017-05-17 5:24 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-05-17 2:37 PM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 11:54 AM The feed tested positive for monensin, yes even Nutrena posted that. I never said there wasn't monensin in the feed, I said I'll believe it when the tissue report comes back proving that cause of death. The feed could have that in it and the horses could have still died from something else entirely. But the tissue sample reports apparently aren't out yet from what I can see. Each person is going to have their own opinions about it anyway. The whole point of my original response was completely disregarded, so I'm just going to be done or else this is going to end up one of those never ending beating a dead horse posts. You should NOT FEEL OK with ANY amounts of ANY ionophores in your horses feed. PERIOD. ZIP ZILCH ZERO...
That's what I commented when Nutrena responded to me that botulism is more toxic.(duh, it's like the most toxic substance on earth) Contaminants that can be 100% prevented don't belong in the same conversation with things that can't be prevented (and are tested for because of that). |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2017-05-17 6:11 PM
rodeomom3 - 2017-05-17 5:24 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-05-17 2:37 PM JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-05-17 11:54 AM The feed tested positive for monensin, yes even Nutrena posted that. I never said there wasn't monensin in the feed, I said I'll believe it when the tissue report comes back proving that cause of death. The feed could have that in it and the horses could have still died from something else entirely. But the tissue sample reports apparently aren't out yet from what I can see. Each person is going to have their own opinions about it anyway. The whole point of my original response was completely disregarded, so I'm just going to be done or else this is going to end up one of those never ending beating a dead horse posts. You should NOT FEEL OK with ANY amounts of ANY ionophores in your horses feed. PERIOD. ZIP ZILCH ZERO...
Am I being dumb for wondering what else she thinks could have killed the two horses (seemingly in the same way) hours apart after what the toxicology report said? |
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Location: Lala Land | I'm sure this has been gone over previously, but what companies are safe to feed from? I tried feeding Bluebonnet and my horses will not eat it. I went back to Purina so they would eat. |
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| Lovin Life - 2017-05-18 8:37 AM
I'm sure this has been gone over previously, but what companies are safe to feed from? I tried feeding Bluebonnet and my horses will not eat it. I went back to Purina so they would eat.
Which feed from bluebonnet did you try? I'm surprised the horses wouldn't eat it.. bluebonnet is one of the better feed companies out there. That's all I feed.. I've feed just about every one of their feeds and never had an issue. I finally settled with natural blend performance, horses love it, it's easy on the pocketbook and they look and perform fabulous. I'm pretty sure purina is considered safe too? From what I understand they run horse feed completely seperate from everything else. . Someone else might clear that up tho. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Lovin Life - 2017-05-18 8:37 AM I'm sure this has been gone over previously, but what companies are safe to feed from? I tried feeding Bluebonnet and my horses will not eat it. I went back to Purina so they would eat. What feed of Bluebonnets that your horses would not eat? Was it the texture are pelleted? I love Bluebonnet feed been feeding it for many many years.. I had a question about a certain feed and I called the Nutritionist and talked about it with her... Bluebonnet is a safe Milled feed so I have alot of faith in them 
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Location: Lala Land | It was the Intensify Senior. There's only 1 supplier close to me that carries it and that's all he will stock because a show barn feeds everything that. |
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| If this was the first time Nurtena had been linked to horses deaths due to contanimation you might have thoughts to reconsider - but it is not!!!
I fed Purina Ultium and Strategy for years and my horses were wonderful on it. However, when I started my new job (few years ago), the local feed store only carried Nutrena. I was told that the feeds they sold were compariable to the Purina feeds I was feeding. BIG MISTAKE!!! Our horses did not do well with it - confirmation, performance & attitude. Conditioning was the same as previous years - the only thing that had changed was the feed (which they sometimes would not eat)
I became concerned about the milling process and the reports and switched back to Purina. Best decision !!! My horses look and feel amazing. It is wonderful to know that if you have any questions you can contact a rep or Purina for ANSWERS!!
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| Runnincat - 2017-05-17 2:47 PM
winwillows - 2017-05-17 4:42 PM Nutrena admitted the contamination because they could not deny it. The levels shown were from the samples tested and may not be representative of what else was in the bag that these two horses actually ate. If something had hung up in the system and ended up in that feed, there could easily have been a hot spot and not an even distribution throughout the bag tested. Who knows. The safe choice, pun intended, is to simply buy your feed from companies that do not make medicated feeds, or use ingredients from sources that do. If you do not have any medications on the property, this will not happen.
It could have even been from the prior bag of feed, one that was fed up and never tested. Then say you crack into a new bag, horses die...test the feed and the levels come back low. Makes ya think?!!Â
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Location: Deep South | Lovin Life - 2017-05-18 8:37 AM
I'm sure this has been gone over previously, but what companies are safe to feed from? I tried feeding Bluebonnet and my horses will not eat it. I went back to Purina so they would eat.
This is what I have for verified safe feeds:
Seminole
Renew Gold
Total Equine
Standlee Hay
Manna Pro
Hay-Rite
Blue Bonnett
Buckeye
Red River Feeds
Woody's Feeds
Danco Forage
I was recently told about Crytpo Aero Feed company, after looking into it, I think it's safe to add to the list too, unless anyone knows otherwise. This is the statement on their website. "Crypto Aero Wholefood Horse Feed is milled at Walpole Feed Inc. In its own mixer. No other feeds are ever run in the same mixer and/ or bagging machine. Walpole Feed does not use any feed additives such as monensin, rumensin, or paylene, that could possibly be harmful to a horse in any of their feeds."
To the person who asked, Purina horse feed is not 100% ionophore free. It depends which mill your feed comes from. |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2017-05-18 10:21 AM
Lovin Life - 2017-05-18 8:37 AM
I'm sure this has been gone over previously, but what companies are safe to feed from? I tried feeding Bluebonnet and my horses will not eat it. I went back to Purina so they would eat.
This is what I have for verified safe feeds:
Seminole
Renew Gold
Total Equine
Standlee Hay
Manna Pro
Hay-Rite
Blue Bonnett
Buckeye
Red River Feeds
Woody's Feeds
Danco Forage
I was recently told about Crytpo Aero Feed company, after looking into it, I think it's safe to add to the list too, unless anyone knows otherwise. This is the statement on their website. "Crypto Aero Wholefood Horse Feed is milled at Walpole Feed Inc. In its own mixer. No other feeds are ever run in the same mixer and/ or bagging machine. Walpole Feed does not use any feed additives such as monensin, rumensin, or paylene, that could possibly be harmful to a horse in any of their feeds."
To the person who asked, Purina horse feed is not 100% ionophore free. It depends which mill your feed comes from.
It is my understanding that all Purina horse feeds are ionophore free - all horse feeds are milled in separate facilities. |
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| What about Triple Crown now that Bluebonnet is now milling for them? |
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| want2chase3 - 2017-05-18 1:34 PM
What about Triple Crown now that Bluebonnet is now milling for them?
Not all TC in milled by them us out west are not. |
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Location: Willows, CA | cutnrunqhmt - 2017-05-18 4:16 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-05-18 1:34 PM
What about Triple Crown now that Bluebonnet is now milling for them?
Not all TC in milled by them us out west are not.
Triple Crown on the west coast is made by Kruse (Western Milling) as far as I know. Lots of history there.
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