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Location: KS | Are there any supplements out there that actually work for hock relief? I have a 14 year old mare that has sore hocks. I can't inject her. She has a horrible reaction to the injection. Can't try Osphos due to kidneys. I have good heel support and have her on Adequan. Had her reset last night and she would not have passed a flexion test. I have only been ponying her! This mare has a huge heart and loves her job. If she were missing a leg, she would swear she could still do it. I started Surpass. Has anyone tried the Phycox Max? Any other suggestions? I'm trying to avoid alcohol or drilling. |
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| Actiflex 4000 is the best feed through I have tried. You might also consider Lubrisyn as well. Sounds like this horse may be a candidate for DAILY Previcox/Equioxx need to consult vet on that one, its prescription only. |
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Location: North Dakota | Flyinrose - 2017-07-13 10:13 AM Are there any supplements out there that actually work for hock relief? I have a 14 year old mare that has sore hocks. I can't inject her. She has a horrible reaction to the injection. Can't try Osphos due to kidneys. I have good heel support and have her on Adequan. Had her reset last night and she would not have passed a flexion test. I have only been ponying her! This mare has a huge heart and loves her job. If she were missing a leg, she would swear she could still do it. I started Surpass. Has anyone tried the Phycox Max? Any other suggestions? I'm trying to avoid alcohol or drilling.
What was she injected with and what was the reaction? |
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Location: KS | Depomedrol. By day 5 she quits eating and drinking and has to be put on iv fluids. She has done this 3 times. |
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Location: NE Texas | I love the Cur-OST products because they manage inflammation daily. I have sure noticed a difference in my crew and haven't had to inject any of them in almost 3 years. I haven't had any lower back/SI soreness with my horses like I used to have. Once a year when I get my coggins done I have my vet flex them off to make sure all is well, and she's even surprised. Here is an article Dr. Schell wrote in regard to injections and other available options: https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/390-joint-dysfunction-are-injections-the-only-solution
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Location: North Dakota | Why not try legend-why keep doing the same thing over and expect a different result? I use pentosan on horses with confirmed arthritis. |
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| Flyinrose - 2017-07-13 12:37 PM
 Depomedrol. By day 5 she quits eating and drinking and has to be put on iv fluids. She has done this 3 times.
I never inject depo into joints as it prevents healing, destroys the remaining cartilage.
I would try HA, Trimisclione, and antibiotic and see if she has a similar reaction. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | cheryl makofka - 2017-07-13 2:44 PM
Flyinrose - 2017-07-13 12:37 PM
 Depomedrol. By day 5 she quits eating and drinking and has to be put on iv fluids. She has done this 3 times.
I never inject depo into joints as it prevents healing, destroys the remaining cartilage.
I would try HA, Trimisclione, and antibiotic and see if she has a similar reaction.
Ditto, try something different since there are other options to try.
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Location: North Dakota | Flyinrose - 2017-07-13 12:37 PM Depomedrol. By day 5 she quits eating and drinking and has to be put on iv fluids. She has done this 3 times.
You don't have to inject the depo. Have you tried without? Just do the HA and triam. |
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| I agree try something else other than dex. HA and a antibiotic. Platinum CJ is a great feed through. Has the science to back it up. |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | Read the information on Equithrive (resveratrol). I have begun feeding this to my mare after reading reviews and studies. Figured it was worth trying to see if I could avoid injections as long as possible. |
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Location: KS | Thanks for the information. The first time I had her injected everything was fine. The 2nd time the vet said her kidneys were shutting down and we almost lost her. We didn't associate the injection at that time. The 3rd time they thought she was colicing from the heat. The 4th time I had her injected in February and made sure all other factors they were associating it to were removed. Same reaction. I can't put her body through that so after they wore off I turned her out, last September. My other mare sustained a deep flexor tear in May and is now a broodmare. I pulled this mare back out, started on Adequan, and started legging her up. I don't keep hitting repeat expecting different results, I have consulted with 4 vets and OSU. The relief from the injection is outstanding, but obviously that's not an option. Adequan isn't touching it. The vets are only offering to force her to fuse with either alcohol or drilling. Alcohol is to risky and drilling is extremely painful. Thank you to those responding with things that are actually working for you. There are a lot of claims out there you can throw your money at. I need my horse back!
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| Flyinrose - 2017-07-13 4:33 PM
Thanks for the information. The first time I had her injected everything was fine. The 2nd time the vet said her kidneys were shutting down and we almost lost her. We didn't associate the injection at that time. The 3rd time they thought she was colicing from the heat. The 4th time I had her injected in February and made sure all other factors they were associating it to were removed. Same reaction. I can't put her body through that so after they wore off I turned her out, last September. My other mare sustained a deep flexor tear in May and is now a broodmare. I pulled this mare back out, started on Adequan, and started legging her up.  I don't keep hitting repeat expecting different results, I have consulted with 4 vets and OSU.  The relief from the injection is outstanding, but obviously that's not an option. Adequan isn't touching it. The vets are only offering to force her to fuse with either alcohol or drilling. Alcohol is to risky and drilling is extremely painful. Thank you to those responding with things that are actually working for you. There are a lot of claims out there you can throw your money at. I need my horse back! Â
Dr Hague can also surgically fuse via laser . He is the co author on the laser fusion guidelines for fusing hocks. |
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| Â Pro stride.... IRAP. My older gelding foundered last fall after getting his hocks done one week then 2 weeks later his SI and stifles done. My vet says to never inject again. If I have to do something for hock pain he recommended the pro stride or IRAP. Here is an article about it. https://www.totalequinevets.com/uncategorized/pro-stride/ https://www.omveterinary.com/pro-stride
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Location: SK | Look into a Product Called Equine Liquid Biocell. It is only available from a Modere Rep. I am one if you have more questions feel free to contact me but I will add some info here for you. Just an option as a supplement if injecting is not an option.
It contains highly bioavailable Liquid BioCell®, a naturally-occurring matrix containing hydrolyzed collagen type II, low
molecular weight (LMW) hyaluronic acid (HA), and chondroitin sulfate, which are essential for healthy joints, skin, and
other connective tissues.
The studies suggest that Liquid BioCell® improves joint health by providing multi-layered mechanisms,
including potential cartilage regeneration as well as replenishment of both collagen type II and glycosaminoglycans
(GAGs).
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| Hudley_SK - 2017-07-24 3:14 PM
Look into a Product Called Equine Liquid Biocell. It is only available from a Modere Rep. I am one if you have more questions feel free to contact me but I will add some info here for you. Just an option as a supplement if injecting is not an option.
It contains highly bioavailable Liquid BioCell®, a naturally-occurring matrix containing hydrolyzed collagen type II, low
molecular weight (LMW) hyaluronic acid (HA), and chondroitin sulfate, which are essential for healthy joints, skin, and
other connective tissues.
The studies suggest that Liquid BioCell® improves joint health by providing multi-layered mechanisms,
including potential cartilage regeneration as well as replenishment of both collagen type II and glycosaminoglycans
(GAGs).
I looked it up but I couldn't find the dosage. At $500.00 I find it very pricey. I do have to say the collagen supplement I take is the one that helps my knees the most. |
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I have had really good success with the Rebar Ranch Naturals Equine Drench... 50cc daily... knocks out pain and inflammation and it's way cheaper than injecting. I have used it for years and I haven't injected a horse in 15+ years.
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Location: North Dakota | ProStride or IRAP. |
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