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| emricmacy - 2017-11-27 7:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:01 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 6:19 AM Griz - 2017-11-27 5:50 AM slipperyslope - 2017-11-26 10:15 AM madredepeanut - 2017-11-26 7:22 AM I would actually take her to your vet and have her scoped before self-diagnosing and treating her for ulcers. She could have all sorts of other problems that are making her not want to eat and act the way she is. Scoping a horse is the only way to diagnose ulcers, and I personally like to have a diagnosis before medicating, because that diagnosis could alter your course of treatment. Throwing a horse on medications without a diagnosis isn't the end of the world, but your horse may need a longer course of treatment than just 28 days of omeprazole, or whatever it is you're medicating with. I would also have blood drawn and routine bloodwork done, if anything just to have a greater understanding of what her "normal" is, even if nothing is out of whack. Are you able to ask her past owners about her eating habits? They might tell you that this is somewhat normal, or abnormal for her, and have tips on what they did to keep her in tip-top shape. She must have looked beautiful and ran well, or else you wouldn't have gotten her. I would also add to give it some time and let her settle in a bit. Your style of riding could be completely different than her youth owner, and I think you did the right thing by slowing it back down and getting used to each other. As long as she isn't starving herself and she stays BAR (bright, alert, responsive), she just may need an adjustment period, like we would. Hind gut ulcers are not found by scoping. Ulcers are so common that for THAT particular disorder, it is cheaper in the longrun & doesn't do any harm to treat for them right off the bat. And if the vet concurs with ulcers, then they can suggest a longer course of meds OR a different med at at that time. Bloodwork, etc is a good suggestion - if nothing else, you then have a baseline for anything in the future. If she has any other symptoms that lean towards PSSM (2 I'd say, since it's the later onset ), you could always send in her tail hairs to EquiSeq & get her tested too. I'm with you. Good grief, it was going to cost me $400, plus gas and a day off work to go to OSU to have my mare scoped - WAY cheaper to just treat and no harm done if she didn't have ulcers. Last time I talked to my vet, we were discussing ulcers, and other stuff, and she charges $400 to scope, and $1,000.00 for a month of medication. Yikes! Is Omeprazole the go-to medication to treat ulcers? What are others vets charging?
Per my vet I buy ulcerguard from Tractor Supply at $34/tube-dose 1/3 tube/ day for 3 weeks- 7 tubes=$245. Yes to omeprazole is the only medication I know of that cures the ulcers, not just treat the symptoms. Others on here have used other products that they say heal but I don’t have experience with those. Valley Vet Supply runs sales on it and you can get good deals on it-$28/tube
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:47 AM
emricmacy - 2017-11-27 7:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:01 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 6:19 AM Griz - 2017-11-27 5:50 AM slipperyslope - 2017-11-26 10:15 AM madredepeanut - 2017-11-26 7:22 AM I would actually take her to your vet and have her scoped before self-diagnosing and treating her for ulcers. She could have all sorts of other problems that are making her not want to eat and act the way she is. Scoping a horse is the only way to diagnose ulcers, and I personally like to have a diagnosis before medicating, because that diagnosis could alter your course of treatment. Throwing a horse on medications without a diagnosis isn't the end of the world, but your horse may need a longer course of treatment than just 28 days of omeprazole, or whatever it is you're medicating with. I would also have blood drawn and routine bloodwork done, if anything just to have a greater understanding of what her "normal" is, even if nothing is out of whack. Are you able to ask her past owners about her eating habits? They might tell you that this is somewhat normal, or abnormal for her, and have tips on what they did to keep her in tip-top shape. She must have looked beautiful and ran well, or else you wouldn't have gotten her. I would also add to give it some time and let her settle in a bit. Your style of riding could be completely different than her youth owner, and I think you did the right thing by slowing it back down and getting used to each other. As long as she isn't starving herself and she stays BAR (bright, alert, responsive), she just may need an adjustment period, like we would. Hind gut ulcers are not found by scoping. Ulcers are so common that for THAT particular disorder, it is cheaper in the longrun & doesn't do any harm to treat for them right off the bat. And if the vet concurs with ulcers, then they can suggest a longer course of meds OR a different med at at that time. Bloodwork, etc is a good suggestion - if nothing else, you then have a baseline for anything in the future. If she has any other symptoms that lean towards PSSM (2 I'd say, since it's the later onset ), you could always send in her tail hairs to EquiSeq & get her tested too. I'm with you. Good grief, it was going to cost me $400, plus gas and a day off work to go to OSU to have my mare scoped - WAY cheaper to just treat and no harm done if she didn't have ulcers. Last time I talked to my vet, we were discussing ulcers, and other stuff, and she charges $400 to scope, and $1,000.00 for a month of medication. Yikes! Is Omeprazole the go-to medication to treat ulcers? What are others vets charging? Valley Vet Supply runs sales on it and you can get good deals on it-$28/tube
So Ulcerguard is Omeprazole? So it's something that is not a prescription only? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to learn! | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-11-27 8:01 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:47 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 7:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:01 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 6:19 AM Griz - 2017-11-27 5:50 AM slipperyslope - 2017-11-26 10:15 AM madredepeanut - 2017-11-26 7:22 AM I would actually take her to your vet and have her scoped before self-diagnosing and treating her for ulcers. She could have all sorts of other problems that are making her not want to eat and act the way she is. Scoping a horse is the only way to diagnose ulcers, and I personally like to have a diagnosis before medicating, because that diagnosis could alter your course of treatment. Throwing a horse on medications without a diagnosis isn't the end of the world, but your horse may need a longer course of treatment than just 28 days of omeprazole, or whatever it is you're medicating with. I would also have blood drawn and routine bloodwork done, if anything just to have a greater understanding of what her "normal" is, even if nothing is out of whack. Are you able to ask her past owners about her eating habits? They might tell you that this is somewhat normal, or abnormal for her, and have tips on what they did to keep her in tip-top shape. She must have looked beautiful and ran well, or else you wouldn't have gotten her. I would also add to give it some time and let her settle in a bit. Your style of riding could be completely different than her youth owner, and I think you did the right thing by slowing it back down and getting used to each other. As long as she isn't starving herself and she stays BAR (bright, alert, responsive), she just may need an adjustment period, like we would. Hind gut ulcers are not found by scoping. Ulcers are so common that for THAT particular disorder, it is cheaper in the longrun & doesn't do any harm to treat for them right off the bat. And if the vet concurs with ulcers, then they can suggest a longer course of meds OR a different med at at that time. Bloodwork, etc is a good suggestion - if nothing else, you then have a baseline for anything in the future. If she has any other symptoms that lean towards PSSM (2 I'd say, since it's the later onset ), you could always send in her tail hairs to EquiSeq & get her tested too. I'm with you. Good grief, it was going to cost me $400, plus gas and a day off work to go to OSU to have my mare scoped - WAY cheaper to just treat and no harm done if she didn't have ulcers. Last time I talked to my vet, we were discussing ulcers, and other stuff, and she charges $400 to scope, and $1,000.00 for a month of medication. Yikes! Is Omeprazole the go-to medication to treat ulcers? What are others vets charging? Per my vet I buy ulcerguard from Tractor Supply at $34/tube-dose 1/3 tube/ day for 3 weeks- 7 tubes=$245. Yes to omeprazole is the only medication I know of that cures the ulcers, not just treat the symptoms. Others on here have used other products that they say heal but I don’t have experience with those. Valley Vet Supply runs sales on it and you can get good deals on it-$28/tube So Ulcerguard is Omeprazole? So it's something that is not a prescription only? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to learn!
Yes, no prescription necessary and per my vet the exact same ingredients as gastrogard which requires a prescription. | |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 8:19 AM
emricmacy - 2017-11-27 8:01 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:47 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 7:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:01 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 6:19 AM Griz - 2017-11-27 5:50 AM slipperyslope - 2017-11-26 10:15 AM madredepeanut - 2017-11-26 7:22 AM I would actually take her to your vet and have her scoped before self-diagnosing and treating her for ulcers. She could have all sorts of other problems that are making her not want to eat and act the way she is. Scoping a horse is the only way to diagnose ulcers, and I personally like to have a diagnosis before medicating, because that diagnosis could alter your course of treatment. Throwing a horse on medications without a diagnosis isn't the end of the world, but your horse may need a longer course of treatment than just 28 days of omeprazole, or whatever it is you're medicating with. I would also have blood drawn and routine bloodwork done, if anything just to have a greater understanding of what her "normal" is, even if nothing is out of whack. Are you able to ask her past owners about her eating habits? They might tell you that this is somewhat normal, or abnormal for her, and have tips on what they did to keep her in tip-top shape. She must have looked beautiful and ran well, or else you wouldn't have gotten her. I would also add to give it some time and let her settle in a bit. Your style of riding could be completely different than her youth owner, and I think you did the right thing by slowing it back down and getting used to each other. As long as she isn't starving herself and she stays BAR (bright, alert, responsive), she just may need an adjustment period, like we would. Hind gut ulcers are not found by scoping. Ulcers are so common that for THAT particular disorder, it is cheaper in the longrun & doesn't do any harm to treat for them right off the bat. And if the vet concurs with ulcers, then they can suggest a longer course of meds OR a different med at at that time. Bloodwork, etc is a good suggestion - if nothing else, you then have a baseline for anything in the future. If she has any other symptoms that lean towards PSSM (2 I'd say, since it's the later onset ), you could always send in her tail hairs to EquiSeq & get her tested too. I'm with you. Good grief, it was going to cost me $400, plus gas and a day off work to go to OSU to have my mare scoped - WAY cheaper to just treat and no harm done if she didn't have ulcers. Last time I talked to my vet, we were discussing ulcers, and other stuff, and she charges $400 to scope, and $1,000.00 for a month of medication. Yikes! Is Omeprazole the go-to medication to treat ulcers? What are others vets charging? Per my vet I buy ulcerguard from Tractor Supply at $34/tube-dose 1/3 tube/ day for 3 weeks- 7 tubes=$245. Yes to omeprazole is the only medication I know of that cures the ulcers, not just treat the symptoms. Others on here have used other products that they say heal but I don’t have experience with those. Valley Vet Supply runs sales on it and you can get good deals on it-$28/tube So Ulcerguard is Omeprazole? So it's something that is not a prescription only? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to learn!
Does it only come in a paste form? Does this cure or prevent ulcers? | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:01 AM
rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:47 AM
emricmacy - 2017-11-27 7:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:01 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 6:19 AM Griz - 2017-11-27 5:50 AM slipperyslope - 2017-11-26 10:15 AM madredepeanut - 2017-11-26 7:22 AM I would actually take her to your vet and have her scoped before self-diagnosing and treating her for ulcers. She could have all sorts of other problems that are making her not want to eat and act the way she is. Scoping a horse is the only way to diagnose ulcers, and I personally like to have a diagnosis before medicating, because that diagnosis could alter your course of treatment. Throwing a horse on medications without a diagnosis isn't the end of the world, but your horse may need a longer course of treatment than just 28 days of omeprazole, or whatever it is you're medicating with. I would also have blood drawn and routine bloodwork done, if anything just to have a greater understanding of what her "normal" is, even if nothing is out of whack. Are you able to ask her past owners about her eating habits? They might tell you that this is somewhat normal, or abnormal for her, and have tips on what they did to keep her in tip-top shape. She must have looked beautiful and ran well, or else you wouldn't have gotten her. I would also add to give it some time and let her settle in a bit. Your style of riding could be completely different than her youth owner, and I think you did the right thing by slowing it back down and getting used to each other. As long as she isn't starving herself and she stays BAR (bright, alert, responsive), she just may need an adjustment period, like we would. Hind gut ulcers are not found by scoping. Ulcers are so common that for THAT particular disorder, it is cheaper in the longrun & doesn't do any harm to treat for them right off the bat. And if the vet concurs with ulcers, then they can suggest a longer course of meds OR a different med at at that time. Bloodwork, etc is a good suggestion - if nothing else, you then have a baseline for anything in the future. If she has any other symptoms that lean towards PSSM (2 I'd say, since it's the later onset ), you could always send in her tail hairs to EquiSeq & get her tested too. I'm with you. Good grief, it was going to cost me $400, plus gas and a day off work to go to OSU to have my mare scoped - WAY cheaper to just treat and no harm done if she didn't have ulcers. Last time I talked to my vet, we were discussing ulcers, and other stuff, and she charges $400 to scope, and $1,000.00 for a month of medication. Yikes! Is Omeprazole the go-to medication to treat ulcers? What are others vets charging? Valley Vet Supply runs sales on it and you can get good deals on it-$28/tube
So Ulcerguard is Omeprazole? So it's something that is not a prescription only? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to learn!
Ulcerguard and Gastroguard are IDENTICAL one is OTC and its labeled for 1/4 tube daily as a PREVENTION of ulcers. The other you need a vets permission to give them the whole tube at once ( Gastroguard) to TREAT ulcers. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-11-27 9:08 AM
emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:01 AM
rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:47 AM
emricmacy - 2017-11-27 7:06 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 7:01 AM emricmacy - 2017-11-27 6:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 6:19 AM Griz - 2017-11-27 5:50 AM slipperyslope - 2017-11-26 10:15 AM madredepeanut - 2017-11-26 7:22 AM I would actually take her to your vet and have her scoped before self-diagnosing and treating her for ulcers. She could have all sorts of other problems that are making her not want to eat and act the way she is. Scoping a horse is the only way to diagnose ulcers, and I personally like to have a diagnosis before medicating, because that diagnosis could alter your course of treatment. Throwing a horse on medications without a diagnosis isn't the end of the world, but your horse may need a longer course of treatment than just 28 days of omeprazole, or whatever it is you're medicating with. I would also have blood drawn and routine bloodwork done, if anything just to have a greater understanding of what her "normal" is, even if nothing is out of whack. Are you able to ask her past owners about her eating habits? They might tell you that this is somewhat normal, or abnormal for her, and have tips on what they did to keep her in tip-top shape. She must have looked beautiful and ran well, or else you wouldn't have gotten her. I would also add to give it some time and let her settle in a bit. Your style of riding could be completely different than her youth owner, and I think you did the right thing by slowing it back down and getting used to each other. As long as she isn't starving herself and she stays BAR (bright, alert, responsive), she just may need an adjustment period, like we would. Hind gut ulcers are not found by scoping. Ulcers are so common that for THAT particular disorder, it is cheaper in the longrun & doesn't do any harm to treat for them right off the bat. And if the vet concurs with ulcers, then they can suggest a longer course of meds OR a different med at at that time. Bloodwork, etc is a good suggestion - if nothing else, you then have a baseline for anything in the future. If she has any other symptoms that lean towards PSSM (2 I'd say, since it's the later onset ), you could always send in her tail hairs to EquiSeq & get her tested too. I'm with you. Good grief, it was going to cost me $400, plus gas and a day off work to go to OSU to have my mare scoped - WAY cheaper to just treat and no harm done if she didn't have ulcers. Last time I talked to my vet, we were discussing ulcers, and other stuff, and she charges $400 to scope, and $1,000.00 for a month of medication. Yikes! Is Omeprazole the go-to medication to treat ulcers? What are others vets charging? Valley Vet Supply runs sales on it and you can get good deals on it-$28/tube
So Ulcerguard is Omeprazole? So it's something that is not a prescription only? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to learn!
Ulcerguard and Gastroguard are IDENTICAL one is OTC and its labeled for 1/4 tube daily as a PREVENTION of ulcers. The other you need a vets permission to give them the whole tube at once ( Gastroguard ) to TREAT ulcers.
My vet said 1/3 tube to treat, studies show you don’t need a whole tube, mine scoped clean after 1/3 day for 3 weeks. | |
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| My vet charges $1,000 to treat for a month..why so much, and what's the difference? | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-11-27 10:11 AM My vet charges $1,000 to treat for a month..why so much, and what's the difference?
No difference, she wants to make $$$. | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-11-27 10:11 AM My vet charges $1,000 to treat for a month..why so much, and what's the difference?
I took one in last week to get scoped for a throat condition, total bill was $194, included scope, bottle of dex, pythium vaccine shot that was $70. | |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-11-27 10:21 AM
emricmacy - 2017-11-27 10:11 AM My vet charges $1,000 to treat for a month..why so much, and what's the difference?
I took one in last week to get scoped for a throat condition, total bill was $194, included scope, bottle of dex, pythium vaccine shot that was $70.
Wow, scary to see what some charge! I see now why she said Aloe Vera Juice.. | |
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Location: Deep South | I just want to point out (because I see it happening in this discussion) that there's a difference in scoping for gastric issues and scoping for respiratory issues. The term "scope" is used interchangeably for both, but there is a BIG price difference in my area. So if someone tells you that they have had their horse scoped for $x amount you have to consider what were they scoped for.
Like others have mentioned, approx $300-400 to scope for ulcers and approx $1000 to treat with GastroGard for 30 days, which is the ONLY treatment our vet's will tell you about, is the norm where I live. I think this is why so many people choose to treat without a diagnosis and why there are now so many OTC treatment options. Especially since ulcers are so common. It is more likely that a barrel horse will develop them than not. | |
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Location: TN | So can you test for both types of ulcers if you simply do blood work and nothing else? | |
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| Dellas Speedy Devil - 2017-11-28 4:47 AM
So can you test for both types of ulcers if you simply do blood work and nothing else?
It’s rare in mild-moderate cases of both types of ulcers to have changes in blood work. Unless there is a perforated ulcer or severe protein loss and potentially diarrhea would you see changes in the blood work. The changes in blood work may raise suspicion, but aren’t specific to ulcers and may be caused by other things. That’s where external changes (like loss of appetite, colic symptoms, dull hair coat, etc) and other diagnostic tests come in to play.
For gastric ulcers, an endoscopic exam is the gold standard for diagnosis.
There is no one definitive test for hindgut ulcers, but a lot of factors that could point you in that direction. For hindgut ulcers that are severe, there may be thickening of the right dorsal colon that could be found on ultrasound if your vet is skilled at performing this, but it is usually only thickened if there is severe ulceration, ie: a horse that has a history of bute use, poor appetite, diarrhea, low protein on blood work and potentially low WBC count. | |
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