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KatieMac88
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2018-02-06 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: Canine Cancer



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I am so sorry about your sweet dog. I have had two dogs diagnosed with cancer in the past few years.

Our catahoula had bladder cancer. He didn't show signs of it until it was far advanced. The vet suggested doing a biopsy to see if it was in fact bladder cancer. He lost so much blood in surgery that he never fully woke up and passed away. It was heartbreaking. Less than a week from the first signs of something being wrong to when he was gone.

Our beagle has breast cancer that has spread tumors throughout her body. The vet expected her to last a few months at diagnosis time, but it's been 1 year and 11 months lol. She's a tough cookie! We put her on steroid pills at diagnosis time to keep the tumors from growing as quickly and now that she's in the final stages we took her off of steroids and have her on rimadyl for pain. She was abused prior to us getting her and is terrified of anyone but my husband and I so we are hoping to have her on "hospice" until she passes on her own.

Sending prayers for you all.
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-02-06 8:27 PM
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azsun - 2018-02-06 11:16 AM

Update: We now have an appointment next week with the Veterinary Oncologist. I told my son we need to be prepare for whatever news the vet has. I also told him what you all said, Maisy will let us know when she's ready to go. I also mentioned the quality vs. quantity of life concept. He understands on an intellectual level, but not on an emotional one. He's having a hard time with accepting that she might not enjoy life with him anymore. I think he thinks Maisy is rejecting him, like she doesn't love him anymore. I told him we just need to be patient and enjoy her, love her, to understand that emotionally she wants to stay with us forever and spiritually she will, but our bodies are only designed to last for so long and wait to see what the vet says. I think this is also magnified by the fact that one of the kids on his football team was recently diagnosed with a brain tumor, has had two surgeries and a stroke in trying to get the tumor removed but is done with football.

You all are so kind in sharing your stories. Thank you.

I think your explanation was spot on, Momma. Praying for all of you; it's so tough when we love them so much.
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2018-02-20 9:17 PM
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Been thinking of your son and his baby girl. . . . Praying you have a good update for us
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KatieMac88
Reg. Apr 2012
Posted 2018-02-21 7:48 AM
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Yes, hoping you have good news. We had to put our beagle to sleep on Monday. Her largest tumor had a sore on it and we could no longer keep her comfortable with pain meds. It was so hard to make that decision and lose her, but she's in a better place now.
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TX4FR
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2018-02-24 2:04 AM
Subject: RE: Canine Cancer


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I just let my 12 year old corgi go yesterday.  She was diagnosed with lung cancer a little over a month ago.  I had an appointment scheduled with an oncologist but ended up cancelling after doing a lot of research and thinking.  I went back to see her regular vet and we decided to treat her symptoms and keep her as comfortable as possible for as long as possible since there was realistically no reasonable option for dealing with the disease.  It worked pretty well for a few weeks, her symptoms improved drastically, she had energy and wanted to play again so I hoped she might stay around for a while longer.  Unfortunately about a week ago, she started to deteriorate pretty quickly and I needed to give her peace.  Absolutely broke my heart to watch her go through this but I tried my best to always make decisions based on what was best for her.  I may not have always made the right call, but I believe that we are obligated to put their comfort and quality of life over our emotional attachment.  I hope things work out for you, your family and your pup.                         
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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2018-02-24 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: Canine Cancer



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 So sorry, when our 12 year old Aussie was diagnosed with a malignant tumor I asked  my vet what she would do.   She sad she had treated her own dog and would never do it again, success rate is very low and quality of life is low.   W kept her comfortable till it was time.  Vet come to our house and she went quick and peacefully laying in her own bed.   Hugs 

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azsun
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2018-02-24 11:55 AM
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UPDATE (sorry it's long): Thank you all for the prayers and honest opinions and advice. Maisy was seen by the veterinary oncologist and a surgeon on February 15. She has tumors in her colon and rectal areas. He was able to feel a cluster of 3 small tumors in her colon in an area that where tumors are more often then not cancerous. She has another tumor closer to her rectum. He said we had a few options. First, he recommended a CT scan to determine how many tumors there were and their exact location. If there were tumors in areas where he couldn't feel, then we would know surgery wasn't an option. Second, he thought we could operate, pull the area of the intestines-colon out and cut out the tumors and then separate her hips to get to the tumor closer to her rectum. Alternatively, he could try a very focused form of radiation to get the cluster of tumors and surgically remove the tumor closer to the rectum by separating the hips. The radiologist was very candid with me and said she had been doing this work for about 12 years and she did not like the radiation for the intestine/colon as it was hard on the dogs. Basically burning out the tumor and the dogs usually went for about 2 weeks with side effects of bowel issues. The cost of the CT scan $1,600-1,800. The cost of surgery $3,600+. Our third option is to get her NSAIDS which have been shown to slow tumor growth and keep her comfortable for whatever time she had left. The vet felt like they could prolong Maisy's life, depending on what they found with the CT scan and surgery. However, he noted that with some cancers, they can surgically remove and if they don't get everything, the tumor will grow back at a very rapid rate. (We just went through this with my mom's rescue dog). So I talked with my son, showed him the vet report. His first reaction was to do the CT scan and see if there were tumors elsewhere. We discussed the quality of life versus quantity of life and I told him I would give him a few days to think about it. He discussed with a few of his close friends and he came back and said, given her age, he would rather have Maisy have good days even if they were fewer in number instead of a bunch of bad days so he is opting, with my full support, for the NSAIDS. She will tell us when she's ready and although she is having accidents now and then, she is full of spunk when she's awake and sleeps soundly and snores loudly when she is asleep.

It's been a rough few days and I can't thank you enough for your guidance going into the vet appointment. It really helped me understand some of the lingo and options.
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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2018-02-24 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: Canine Cancer





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azsun - 2018-02-24 9:55 AM

UPDATE (sorry it's long): Thank you all for the prayers and honest opinions and advice. Maisy was seen by the veterinary oncologist and a surgeon on February 15. She has tumors in her colon and rectal areas. He was able to feel a cluster of 3 small tumors in her colon in an area that where tumors are more often then not cancerous. She has another tumor closer to her rectum. He said we had a few options. First, he recommended a CT scan to determine how many tumors there were and their exact location. If there were tumors in areas where he couldn't feel, then we would know surgery wasn't an option. Second, he thought we could operate, pull the area of the intestines-colon out and cut out the tumors and then separate her hips to get to the tumor closer to her rectum. Alternatively, he could try a very focused form of radiation to get the cluster of tumors and surgically remove the tumor closer to the rectum by separating the hips. The radiologist was very candid with me and said she had been doing this work for about 12 years and she did not like the radiation for the intestine/colon as it was hard on the dogs. Basically burning out the tumor and the dogs usually went for about 2 weeks with side effects of bowel issues. The cost of the CT scan $1,600-1,800. The cost of surgery $3,600+. Our third option is to get her NSAIDS which have been shown to slow tumor growth and keep her comfortable for whatever time she had left. The vet felt like they could prolong Maisy's life, depending on what they found with the CT scan and surgery. However, he noted that with some cancers, they can surgically remove and if they don't get everything, the tumor will grow back at a very rapid rate. (We just went through this with my mom's rescue dog). So I talked with my son, showed him the vet report. His first reaction was to do the CT scan and see if there were tumors elsewhere. We discussed the quality of life versus quantity of life and I told him I would give him a few days to think about it. He discussed with a few of his close friends and he came back and said, given her age, he would rather have Maisy have good days even if they were fewer in number instead of a bunch of bad days so he is opting, with my full support, for the NSAIDS. She will tell us when she's ready and although she is having accidents now and then, she is full of spunk when she's awake and sleeps soundly and snores loudly when she is asleep.

It's been a rough few days and I can't thank you enough for your guidance going into the vet appointment. It really helped me understand some of the lingo and options.

I am so glad you were given options and various courses of treatment, which you then allowed your son the time and space to think over and discuss with you. I pray that you enjoy these days with Maisy and keep her close to your heart. Letting her be a dog is sometimes the best you can do.

Sometimes I ask myself, who are we to play God? Who are we to dictate what is right and wrong for our animals? As humans, we need answers and results, which isn’t a bad thing. I think you are taking the wise approach in your situation, and she will let you know when she’s no longer happy being a dog.

Lots of prayers going your way, I hope there’s a ton of cuddle time and favorite things in Maisy’s future!
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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2018-02-24 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: Canine Cancer





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TX4FR - 2018-02-24 12:04 AM

I just let my 12 year old corgi go yesterday.  She was diagnosed with lung cancer a little over a month ago.  I had an appointment scheduled with an oncologist but ended up cancelling after doing a lot of research and thinking.  I went back to see her regular vet and we decided to treat her symptoms and keep her as comfortable as possible for as long as possible since there was realistically no reasonable option for dealing with the disease.  It worked pretty well for a few weeks, her symptoms improved drastically, she had energy and wanted to play again so I hoped she might stay around for a while longer.  Unfortunately about a week ago, she started to deteriorate pretty quickly and I needed to give her peace.  Absolutely broke my heart to watch her go through this but I tried my best to always make decisions based on what was best for her.  I may not have always made the right call, but I believe that we are obligated to put their comfort and quality of life over our emotional attachment.  I hope things work out for you, your family and your pup.                         

My prayers and thoughts go out to you. Take comfort in knowing you did everything you could to provide the best care to the end, especially when you realized she wasn’t happy being a dog anymore and had to make that extremely tough decision.
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