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| OregonBR - 2018-02-13 4:30 PM
joemama - 2018-02-13 2:22 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them?
To win?
We need to get back into the mindset of winning.
People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later.
Seems like a disturbing trend to me.
I raise winners. What about a paint wins more than a quarter horse? Whose talking about training here? An AQHA horse trains up just as well as a paint.
The paint in my avatar ran in the top of the 2D at the third barrel race he was in. That has been a long time ago but I would say there were at least 200 entries. This is the first horse of managed I sent to my trainer. Poor training happens in any breed. Any horse can be an idiot in the wrong hands.
The only thing I don't like about mine is that he is sooooo destructive. Just always into everything. |
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| OregonBR - 2018-02-13 4:30 PM
joemama - 2018-02-13 2:22 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them?
To win?
We need to get back into the mindset of winning.
People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later.
Seems like a disturbing trend to me.
I raise winners. What about a paint wins more than a quarter horse? Whose talking about training here? An AQHA horse trains up just as well as a paint.
So why is cheap a problem if winning is the goal?
You are basically telling young kids 14-22 yo, that they shouldnt buy an equally well bred horse for cheap and if you cant afford an expensive prospect youre SOL.
Thats great that you make the winners, most people put a mare and a stud together then sell the baby and act like they did something special when thats just the very tip of the iceberg. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | joemama - 2018-02-14 7:53 AM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 4:30 PM
joemama - 2018-02-13 2:22 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them?
To win?
We need to get back into the mindset of winning.
People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later.
Seems like a disturbing trend to me.
I raise winners. What about a paint wins more than a quarter horse? Whose talking about training here? An AQHA horse trains up just as well as a paint.
So why is cheap a problem if winning is the goal?
You are basically telling young kids 14-22 yo, that they shouldnt buy an equally well bred horse for cheap and if you cant afford an expensive prospect youre SOL.
Thats great that you make the winners, most people put a mare and a stud together then sell the baby and act like they did something special when thats just the very tip of the iceberg.
You're delusional. I didn't tell anyone "You are basically telling young kids 14-22 yo, that they shouldnt buy an equally well bred horse for cheap and if you cant afford an expensive prospect youre SOL." How you interpret what I said to that, I have no idea.
When I was a kid, I had a $125 horse. I broke and trained her myself. She wasn't registered. But I got her registered hardship in APHA. Oh looky! I had a paint. So maybe I know a little. I bought another young horse (AQHA buckskin mare) at a sale for $560 because it's all the money I had. I broke and trained her too. I won a ton on both of those horses. I kept buying, training and selling horses. Some worked really well. Some were duds. I learned early on to look at pedigree and resale value. Why spend a bunch of time on a horse I can't get as much for?
Now I don't ride anymore. I raise a handful of horses every year. I don't want to raise horses I can't break even on. It costs the same to raise horses that I can only sell for $1000 as one I can sell for $3500. The thing about all this is if you want to buy a $1000 horse, they are out there. If you want to spend $500 on a horse, they are out there. If you want a free horse, they are out there too. Just have realistic expectations and be cautious.
What I tell people all the time is buy what you can afford, make it better than it was and sell for what it's worth. Then buy another one and make it better. If you're trying to work your way up to a more marketable horse, that's how I did it and how other people do it. You earn your way to a classier animal by working at it.
It does take a little knowledge to raise good horses. You don't know me and I don't know you. But I really think we got off on the wrong foot. Please stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | streakysox - 2018-02-13 9:12 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 4:30 PM
joemama - 2018-02-13 2:22 PM
OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM
I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me?
Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them?
To win?
We need to get back into the mindset of winning.
People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later.
Seems like a disturbing trend to me.
I raise winners. What about a paint wins more than a quarter horse? Whose talking about training here? An AQHA horse trains up just as well as a paint.
The paint in my avatar ran in the top of the 2D at the third barrel race he was in. That has been a long time ago but I would say there were at least 200 entries. This is the first horse of managed I sent to my trainer. Poor training happens in any breed. Any horse can be an idiot in the wrong hands.
The only thing I don't like about mine is that he is sooooo destructive. Just always into everything.
Where are you guys getting that I don't think paints are trainable? I didn't say that at all. They are basically IDENTICAL to AQHA horses in every respect. EXCEPT you can't get as much money for the same quality animal. I don't want a paint anymore. I had one when I was a kid. She was good at her job. But raising horses costs the same for one you can sell for $1000 as one you can sell for $3500. The opportunities are greater for a registered AQHA horse than a APHA registered horse. Depending on your chosen sport. What part of that don't you understand? I don't care if YOU want all the paints in the world. I won't fight you for them. Just like I won't fight you for all the halter horses in the world. Knock yourself out. You can have them all. If they win, great. I still don't want one. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I like both paints AND Appies. But I no longer have either. And all of the ones I have had were colored. The reasons I don't have them anymore are: They are harder to sell, epseically if solid colored. I sell youngsters, not horses that are broke and going. You can hardly GIVE away a solid youngster, ESPECIALLY if it is red. My stallion is also gray, and I don't like gray paints or appies. It ruins the look. I like color, and when they also inherit the gray gene, eventually you can't see the color pattern. I really wish it was REQUIRE to breed a solid paing to a colored horse I have a REAL issue with breeding solid paints to AQHA stallions, knowing you ahve zero chance for a colored foal. I am NOT saying people should breed only for color. but they SHOULD breed trying to get it. Otherwise, they may as well have a breed that is "supposed" to be solid. |
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| You couldn't pay me to own a paint or appy. Do I think they are beautiful, yes. Do I think they can be athletic, yes. Do I think they will ever be as marketable as Quarter Horses, no. I've owned both and sold both.
Dealing with the harsh west coast sun makes the white coat a big issue. EVERY single paint and appy at our boarding facility has cancer of some sort. No thanks!
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Location: WYOMING | turnedout - 2018-02-15 4:57 PM
You couldn't pay me to own a paint or appy. Do I think they are beautiful, yes. Do I think they can be athletic, yes. Do I think they will ever be as marketable as Quarter Horses, no. I've owned both and sold both.
Dealing with the harsh west coast sun makes the white coat a big issue. EVERY single paint and appy at our boarding facility has cancer of some sort. No thanks!
Lol! Our Florida sun is harsh too. I found that if I just leave them filthy dirty they dont get burned. Sounds crazy but its wotked so far!
Unless they are winning then I agree, much harder to sell and when they do its for less $. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | OregonBR - 2018-02-14 9:26 AM streakysox - 2018-02-13 9:12 PM OregonBR - 2018-02-13 4:30 PM joemama - 2018-02-13 2:22 PM OregonBR - 2018-02-13 12:46 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2018-02-13 10:02 AM I can't fathom why people wouldn't like paints...oh darn I guess more pretty and cheap horses for me? Cheap is the problem. They don't bring the same money the same quality AQHA horse will, so why raise them? To win? We need to get back into the mindset of winning. People care more about selling a horse than winning on one. They dont even care if its trained like trash as long as the breeding is good enough to sell it later. Seems like a disturbing trend to me. I raise winners. What about a paint wins more than a quarter horse? Whose talking about training here? An AQHA horse trains up just as well as a paint. The paint in my avatar ran in the top of the 2D at the third barrel race he was in. That has been a long time ago but I would say there were at least 200 entries. This is the first horse of managed I sent to my trainer. Poor training happens in any breed. Any horse can be an idiot in the wrong hands. The only thing I don't like about mine is that he is sooooo destructive. Just always into everything. Where are you guys getting that I don't think paints are trainable? I didn't say that at all. They are basically IDENTICAL to AQHA horses in every respect. EXCEPT you can't get as much money for the same quality animal. I don't want a paint anymore. I had one when I was a kid. She was good at her job. But raising horses costs the same for one you can sell for $1000 as one you can sell for $3500. The opportunities are greater for a registered AQHA horse than a APHA registered horse. Depending on your chosen sport. What part of that don't you understand? I don't care if YOU want all the paints in the world. I won't fight you for them. Just like I won't fight you for all the halter horses in the world. Knock yourself out. You can have them all. If they win, great. I still don't want one.
I am with Oregon. As a breeder, I am not raising $1000 horses that cost just as much to get on the ground as $3500. I am one of the few that do this for a business and do not use a side job/ranch/town job to pay for the horses. So I raise what will turn a profit. I like paints and when I see a stunning one that has it all going on, I admire it. But I won't go out and buy any breeding stock to raise paints. My son's ranch horse is a dun breeding stock paint with blah blah lineage. He's only valuable as a kids horse-his breeding means nil. But I bought him thinking he was grade. That is where a paint can hold the same value as a QH. |
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