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Location: WI | Did anyone else watch this? Was interesting for sure, scary how the owner of the cloning company said they could clone a human with the technology. He's been approached, but refuses to do it. Someone, somewhere, down the line is going to say yes.
On that note, is anyone in the Barrel Racing world competing on clones? Or just breeding them? This polo players team is made entirely of 2 horses he's been cloning. |
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| Yes I watched it and found it quite interesting. Yes very scary about cloning humans. Reminds me of that should Multiplicity. |
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| Very interesting but a now way on cloning people. Animals, sure. Animals are property, people are not. Chances are good that a person has already been cloned and it just wasn't made public. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | We watched it too. It was interesting. I have always thought that there are too many variables in what makes one particular horse great so that cloning would never be able to produce another great horse. For example, recip mares, handlers, trainers, feed, farriers, vets, environment would always be different from one clone to another and those factors have to come together just right to make great horses. However, the story indicated that the clones were as could as the original. |
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Location: Louisiana | Blaise Bercegeay competes on Red Man Bay's clone...so far that's the only clone that I'm aware of that's actually out there doing something. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | There have been a few claims made public that the cloning of a human embryo has been accomplished...but so far no proof has been shown. It wouldn't surprise me if either the Chinese or South Koreans have at least gotten close. They have made some claims. But there is a technical issue that has made this hard to accomplish. Primates (including us) have a couple of key proteins located very close to the chromosome in our eggs. That makes it difficult not to remove or damage those needed proteins when the original nucleus is removed to make way for the donor nucleus. However...it seems the Chinese HAVE been successful in cloning a couple of monkeys recently. Out of more than 60 surrogate mothers...they manages to get 2 apparently healthy baby monkeys. That shows proof of conept...but for many reasons cloning a human would be problematic. Not as easy as the company in the show might want you to think.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/01/these-monkey-twins-are-first-primate-clones-made-method-developed-dolly
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Location: Jersey Girl | linds - 2018-03-12 2:45 PM Did anyone else watch this? Was interesting for sure, scary how the owner of the cloning company said they could clone a human with the technology. He's been approached, but refuses to do it. Someone, somewhere, down the line is going to say yes.
On that note, is anyone in the Barrel Racing world competing on clones? Or just breeding them? This polo players team is made entirely of 2 horses he's been cloning.
I did not see it but did they happen to discuss if the cloned horses had any known issues? I'm asking about ones that could be clone related. Maybe lameness, personality quirks and thinks like that. |
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| TrailGirl - 2018-03-12 3:01 PM
There have been a few claims made public that the cloning of a human embryo has been accomplished...but so far no proof has been shown. It wouldn't surprise me if either the Chinese or South Koreans have at least gotten close. They have made some claims. But there is a technical issue that has made this hard to accomplish. Primates (including us ) have a couple of key proteins located very close to the chromosome in our eggs. That makes it difficult not to remove or damage those needed proteins when the original nucleus is removed to make way for the donor nucleus. However...it seems the Chinese HAVE been successful in cloning a couple of monkeys recently. Out of more than 60 surrogate mothers...they manages to get 2 apparently healthy baby monkeys. That shows proof of conept...but for many reasons cloning a human would be problematic. Not as easy as the company in the show might want you to think. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/01/these-monkey-twins-are-first-primate-clones-made-method-developed-dolly
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Location: WI | fulltiltfilly - 2018-03-13 7:30 AM linds - 2018-03-12 2:45 PM Did anyone else watch this? Was interesting for sure, scary how the owner of the cloning company said they could clone a human with the technology. He's been approached, but refuses to do it. Someone, somewhere, down the line is going to say yes.
On that note, is anyone in the Barrel Racing world competing on clones? Or just breeding them? This polo players team is made entirely of 2 horses he's been cloning. I did not see it but did they happen to discuss if the cloned horses had any known issues? I'm asking about ones that could be clone related. Maybe lameness, personality quirks and thinks like that.
He said they had no lameness or other health issues. They were all almost exactly like the originals: tempermant, build, athleticism being the biggest likenesses. |
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| Charmayne James has her Scamper clone--Clayton. She has never run barrerls on him. There are quite a few cutting horses that are clones but don't seem to make a mark in the cutting arena like the originals.
If you remember, a genetic facility sued AQHA to force them to register clones. AQHA won that suit. That certainly was over more than one horse. |
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| I have read how the cloned polo ponies are doing really well on the field. I find it strange that our western disciplines don't seem to see the same results athletically. Are they using the same company for the clones? This is really pretty interesting no matter what side you fall on. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | GLP - 2018-03-13 12:27 PM
I have read how the cloned polo ponies are doing really well on the field. I find it strange that our western disciplines don't seem to see the same results athletically. Are they using the same company for the clones? This is really pretty interesting no matter what side you fall on.
I wonder if it's not more a factor of WHY they cloned the horse. The polo guy cloned his best mare in order to have more like her to compete on/with. It seems those that have been cloning in the western disciplines did so more to have that same set of genetics available... not to compete necessarily...but more to be able to breed. Scamper was a gelding...so having a cloned colt to market for breeding...well...if the clone were to compete and not do well...there goes that investment. So I wonder if they just don't take that risk.
The polo guy went ALL IN and cloned multiple copies of his mare. You can bet any that didn't perform to standard were likely not kept. Different plan than I have seen with the western disciplines. |
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| TrailGirl - 2018-03-13 12:57 PM
GLP - 2018-03-13 12:27 PM
I have read how the cloned polo ponies are doing really well on the field. I find it strange that our western disciplines don't seem to see the same results athletically. Are they using the same company for the clones? This is really pretty interesting no matter what side you fall on.
I wonder if it's not more a factor of WHY they cloned the horse. The polo guy cloned his best mare in order to have more like her to compete on/with. It seems those that have been cloning in the western disciplines did so more to have that same set of genetics available... not to compete necessarily...but more to be able to breed. Scamper was a gelding...so having a cloned colt to market for breeding...well...if the clone were to compete and not do well...there goes that investment. So I wonder if they just don't take that risk.
The polo guy went ALL IN and cloned multiple copies of his mare. You can bet any that didn't perform to standard were likely not kept. Different plan than I have seen with the western disciplines.
They did try to compete with the cutting clones. I know nothing about this and am not a scientist, but why would the reason the animals were cloned make a difference? They cloned some of the best in each discipline mentioned and they didn't seem to turn out. Clayton has not made a big difference in barrel horse breeding (for which he was cloned) but I don't follow cutting very closely so I don't know how they are doing in the breeding shed, just know they either were injured/weren't good enough to compete in the futurities.
This has fascinated me from the first time I read about it.
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Location: Michigan | TrailGirl - 2018-03-13 1:57 PM
GLP - 2018-03-13 12:27 PM
I have read how the cloned polo ponies are doing really well on the field. I find it strange that our western disciplines don't seem to see the same results athletically. Are they using the same company for the clones? This is really pretty interesting no matter what side you fall on.
I wonder if it's not more a factor of WHY they cloned the horse. The polo guy cloned his best mare in order to have more like her to compete on/with. It seems those that have been cloning in the western disciplines did so more to have that same set of genetics available... not to compete necessarily...but more to be able to breed. Scamper was a gelding...so having a cloned colt to market for breeding...well...if the clone were to compete and not do well...there goes that investment. So I wonder if they just don't take that risk.
The polo guy went ALL IN and cloned multiple copies of his mare. You can bet any that didn't perform to standard were likely not kept. Different plan than I have seen with the western disciplines.
Regarding a cloned gelding & it wasn't Scamper:
I was around when it was said "We'll run him at a few shows, but if he doesn't perform as well as _______, we'll just keep it quiet."
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