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| ecranch - 2018-04-16 12:33 PM
stayceem - 2018-04-16 9:03 AM
I cant tell you what to do as I like both studs.
However, I do have more experience with Strait and he is such a gentleman. He has a cool style and solid bone to him that I really like. I have probably been very close to a half dozen of his babies and they're all naturally super athletic. The ones I know are shown more locally but they have the caliber to be at bigger events but its more of a hobby for them, so stay close to home. Which might be why you see more from FDF babies.
For me, I have more desire for a FWF than FG also (prefer both some day). So that plays a part too.
Why do you prefer FWF vs FG? Just curious!
To be clear, I like both!! However, I have seen a lot of both and I think I personally would likely get along with a FWF style better and they are knowingly a little more user friendly. FG horses are super cool and wicked athletic so goal to own one is on the list but I think just having to pick between the 2, I prefer more user friendly as my first choice.
And this may be totally unfair but I generally look at grandget for prospects and I know maternal line plays a huge role but I see a lot more conformation styles I prefer in FWF than FG. That just might be what I'm seeing also. I shopped for 2-3 years for my next prospect and I leaned towards far more FWF than FG. But I might have been getting some throwaways since my budget isn't super high lol |
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2018-04-16 2:46 PM
WrapN3MN - 2018-04-16 10:09 AM Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2018-04-14 6:04 PM Both studs have similar conformation so we'll put that a side. BUT If you mare is AQHA and you're breeding for a futurity prospect OR for RESALE The answer is easy. Definitely FIrst Down French. I've seen his babies sell for quite a nice penny and very easily ( of course dam side has a part). Now paints just dont sell that well. Hopefully that will change in the future as I LOVE them. the only way the foal from straight firewater would sell for a good price and right off the bat is if you got lucky and got a solid buckskin or even better a buckskin tobiano. Then your resale would be quick and for a decent amount. Plus i COULD be wrong but i dont think SFW is a proven futurity producer. Where as FDF is already, not huge as far as i know but he is. and he probably will be even more so with more foals running. This is just my humble opinion and using good logic and watching the market. Oh one more thing..... If you're going to pay almost $1500 for a stud fee. might as well pay the extra $250 for FDF who is already a proven futurity producer and is well promoted with a nice resale on his foals. What are some winning FDF foals? Just curious because I used to be a huge FDF fan but I had been wondering how they were doing and hadn't seen very many out there. There aren't any here locally, but I am sure they are out there nationally.
Thank you! My Facebook was hacked almost a year ago and I lost everything. . . just realized I never "re-liked" the page. 
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Location: GODS country | I see a big difference between the two as far as resale value is concerned (if you can find one by either stud for sale that is!). The FDF hold a very high value from the get-go!
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Location: WI | I have a 5yr old mare by Strait Firewater - bred and raised - by FAR the nicest and easiest horse i've ever had been able to start and get on the pattern. Its been said on multiple occasions that the Strait Firewater's are "born broke". I have yet to find one that I don't like. You don't see many for sale because nobody wants to part with them. Trust me I've looked! LOL I personally feel (atleast in my area where Strait is more known) that their resale value is higher than you would think even being a Paint. They seem to just be all around good, solid, long-lasting horses for every age and rider.
I was not a Paint fan - however seeing Strait in person many years ago and competing against him I quickly gave him the exception to the rule and bred to him. I would do it again in a heartbeat! |
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Location: GODS country | hmm89 - 2018-04-18 1:11 PM
I have a 5yr old mare by Strait Firewater - bred and raised - by FAR the nicest and easiest horse i've ever had been able to start and get on the pattern. Its been said on multiple occasions that the Strait Firewater's are "born broke". I have yet to find one that I don't like. You don't see many for sale because nobody wants to part with them. Trust me I've looked! LOL I personally feel (atleast in my area where Strait is more known) that their resale value is higher than you would think even being a Paint. They seem to just be all around good, solid, long-lasting horses for every age and rider.
I was not a Paint fan - however seeing Strait in person many years ago and competing against him I quickly gave him the exception to the rule and bred to him. I would do it again in a heartbeat!
I agree, that he is amazing in person and has a wicked pattern! I picked him for because he is proven and I really like his bottom side (of course I am a huge fan of his sire FWF).
I seriously think I need to pick up another broodmare and get one of each! |
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Location: somewhere up north | Both are great stallions. I can tell you plenty about Strait Firewater as I owned him for many years. The part I love the most about him and his foals is that they can Win AND have a great mind. They've proven that over and over again. Strait is 19 this year and still winning. He is probably one of if not the toughest horses I owned. We bought him at the age of 7 and he was not a finished barrel horse and had not competed. We got married that year so I spent more time just getting him more broke than any pattern work. It really wasn't until he was 8 that I started competing on him. I could breed a mare, load him in the trailer and go run a jackpot and then come home and breed another mare. After my run he would walk right back up the alley way with a cool mind. I could put my daughter who was 2 at the time on him and lead her around or have her ride with me. Not because I am crazy but because he was safe and I trusted him 110%. He was a top 1D horse around here and had a great mind and that's why people fell in love with him. You didn't know he was a stud. I was the one helping people in the gate! LOL He's just broke broke broke. Soft and responsive and his colts have followed that same pattern. I also did team sorting with him and won a buckle. We ran pole bending and he got his ROM there. Then I could pony colts off of him and we trail rode too. If you appreciate a horse that does all of this then you won't be dissapointed you bred to him. Plus he's in FF and other incentives too.
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Location: GODS country | chasincansMN - 2018-04-19 10:57 AM
Both are great stallions. I can tell you plenty about Strait Firewater as I owned him for many years. The part I love the most about him and his foals is that they can Win AND have a great mind. They've proven that over and over again. Strait is 19 this year and still winning. He is probably one of if not the toughest horses I owned. We bought him at the age of 7 and he was not a finished barrel horse and had not competed. We got married that year so I spent more time just getting him more broke than any pattern work. It really wasn't until he was 8 that I started competing on him. I could breed a mare, load him in the trailer and go run a jackpot and then come home and breed another mare. After my run he would walk right back up the alley way with a cool mind. I could put my daughter who was 2 at the time on him and lead her around or have her ride with me. Not because I am crazy but because he was safe and I trusted him 110%. He was a top 1D horse around here and had a great mind and that's why people fell in love with him. You didn't know he was a stud. I was the one helping people in the gate! LOL He's just broke broke broke. Soft and responsive and his colts have followed that same pattern. I also did team sorting with him and won a buckle. We ran pole bending and he got his ROM there. Then I could pony colts off of him and we trail rode too. If you appreciate a horse that does all of this then you won't be dissapointed you bred to him. Plus he's in FF and other incentives too.
Maybe get another mare. ha ha
I did not know he was in FF. That is a HUGE plus! Would love to find some videos of his colts running and see how they did in the futurity world (if any went yet).
If you have an AQHA mare and bred to an APHA stud, is it hard to get papers?? Assuming the resulting colt would be APHA only? |
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Location: somewhere up north | ecranch - 2018-04-19 1:26 PM chasincansMN - 2018-04-19 10:57 AM Both are great stallions. I can tell you plenty about Strait Firewater as I owned him for many years. The part I love the most about him and his foals is that they can Win AND have a great mind. They've proven that over and over again. Strait is 19 this year and still winning. He is probably one of if not the toughest horses I owned. We bought him at the age of 7 and he was not a finished barrel horse and had not competed. We got married that year so I spent more time just getting him more broke than any pattern work. It really wasn't until he was 8 that I started competing on him. I could breed a mare, load him in the trailer and go run a jackpot and then come home and breed another mare. After my run he would walk right back up the alley way with a cool mind. I could put my daughter who was 2 at the time on him and lead her around or have her ride with me. Not because I am crazy but because he was safe and I trusted him 110%. He was a top 1D horse around here and had a great mind and that's why people fell in love with him. You didn't know he was a stud. I was the one helping people in the gate! LOL He's just broke broke broke. Soft and responsive and his colts have followed that same pattern. I also did team sorting with him and won a buckle. We ran pole bending and he got his ROM there. Then I could pony colts off of him and we trail rode too. If you appreciate a horse that does all of this then you won't be dissapointed you bred to him. Plus he's in FF and other incentives too.
Maybe get another mare. ha ha I did not know he was in FF. That is a HUGE plus! Would love to find some videos of his colts running and see how they did in the futurity world (if any went yet ). If you have an AQHA mare and bred to an APHA stud, is it hard to get papers?? Assuming the resulting colt would be APHA only?
He has several foals of competing age. His oldest foal is 13 this year and there were only 2 that year. I had one of them and she won futurity money, was reserve champion at the MN Breeders. She went on to win several awards and money for my niece. She also does goat tying and pole bending on her and places in HS Rodeo. My daughter is now starting to ride her in barrels (my daughter is 6). The other one was a successful HS rodeo horse in MI. I also ran Firewater Strait Lace. She was a 1D and 2D futurity money earner. Her last futurity was the JJ Classic (which is larger added money futurity). She placed in the 1D and won a round of the breeders. My good friend bought her from me and has continued to have multiple 1D placings and won several buckles on her. Her full sister is owned by another friend of mine and she ran in the 1D and top of 2D at futurities. She won a good amount of FF last year. She is already doing amazing and running in the 1D at winter jackpots. It will be an exciting year for her as she's following in her sisters footsteps! Straight Money Honey won the Mn Futurity winning a saddle and thousands of $. These are good friends of ours that raised her. She has several 1D futurity and derby and open earnings. Lil Lucky Strait futurity and open money earner. There are several more I just don't have time to type it all out. LOL! I am sure if you talk to Kim his owner now she can give you information. I know most of them because several of these are in MN. Not all of his foals were campaigned or campaigned hard on the futurity trail. A lot of people bred to him because of his disposition and just wanted a great all around horse of open barrel horse.
Here are some of his babies. I know most don't put their videos on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrXuWjxiUgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBSo2GbLv7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToEYJLuy6OE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLbX2GZqr2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDqyKygfLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Ix0OBjET8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NMg_nRDRkc
Yes, you breed a registered horse to a registered horse you get a registered horse. LOL! Assuming you do the paperwork. The majority of the mares we bred were AQHA. If they are solid then it just states that on their papers.
He's Future Fortunes, VGBRA, JJ Classic, MN Futurity eligible. Maybe others. PBRIP since that's the paint incentive. |
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