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| When doing a straight trade of 2 horses, how do you format your bill of sale? Does anyone maybe have blank one they'd be willing to email me? (: | |
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| You can Google and find tons of bill of sale forms. I would suggest still writing the bill of sale for $1 each to keep it legal. Have them write you a check, keep the cancelled check. | |
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| Honestly why?
It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything.
Is it for insurance? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Are these horses papered? if so once the transfers are signed and the horses are put under your names then to me that would be all you needed.
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Location: North Dakota | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM
Honestly why?
It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything.
Is it for insurance?
Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale. | |
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Location: CTX | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM Are these horses papered? if so once the transfers are signed and the horses are put under your names then to me that would be all you needed.
This is what we did, of course I traded with a close friend of mine, so I felt we didn't need anything else. But I guess if it makes you feel better you can write up a bill of sale to go with the papers.
That is if both horses are papered, if not I would definitely wirte one. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cranky B4 10am - 2018-04-20 9:21 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM Are these horses papered? if so once the transfers are signed and the horses are put under your names then to me that would be all you needed. This is what we did, of course I traded with a close friend of mine, so I felt we didn't need anything else. But I guess if it makes you feel better you can write up a bill of sale to go with the papers.
That is if both horses are papered, if not I would definitely wirte one.
Yep me too, traded with a friend and got the papers in our names not a issues ever came up, but if not papered then a bill of sale..  | |
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| shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM
Honestly why?
It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything.
Is it for insurance?
Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale.
been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good
from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that
no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM
Are these horses papered? if so once the transfers are signed and the horses are put under your names then to me that would be all you needed.
Transfers signed are all you need.
A good vet check by both parties is really all you need. | |
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Location: North Dakota | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:32 AM
shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM
Honestly why?
It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything.
Is it for insurance?
Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale.
been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good
from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that
no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine
Maybe not in your area, but once you head north your likelihood of being checked will increase. ND, SD, MT can be strict with theirs. And if you are the current owner with no bill of sale trying to get an inspection card, you need to get one from the person you got the horse from. If they didn't get one from the person THEY bought it from, you need to keep going backwards until all parties are on the same page. Its best to just have your affairs in order from the start and save a potential headache down the road. | |
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| shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:41 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:32 AM
shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM
Honestly why?
It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything.
Is it for insurance?
Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale.
been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good
from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that
no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine
Maybe not in your area, but once you head north your likelihood of being checked will increase. ND, SD, MT can be strict with theirs. And if you are the current owner with no bill of sale trying to get an inspection card, you need to get one from the person you got the horse from. If they didn't get one from the person THEY bought it from, you need to keep going backwards until all parties are on the same page. Its best to just have your affairs in order from the start and save a potential headache down the road.
CA. MT, IA, ND, CO not one state has ever cared about a brand inspection or brand inspection card at ag check points | |
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Location: North Dakota | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:45 AM
shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:41 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:32 AM
shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM
Honestly why?
It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything.
Is it for insurance?
Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale.
been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good
from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that
no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine
Maybe not in your area, but once you head north your likelihood of being checked will increase. ND, SD, MT can be strict with theirs. And if you are the current owner with no bill of sale trying to get an inspection card, you need to get one from the person you got the horse from. If they didn't get one from the person THEY bought it from, you need to keep going backwards until all parties are on the same page. Its best to just have your affairs in order from the start and save a potential headache down the road.
CA. MT, IA, ND, CO not one state has ever cared about a brand inspection or brand inspection card at ag check points
You're kind of missing the point here.... just because you haven't been asked when you traveled there, doesn't mean the possibility of being asked doesn't exist. Its like people who say "I speed on that highway and never get pulled over". Doesn't mean some day you won't. And yes, traveling from ND to MT and from MT back to ND its required you have a brand inspection. Also certain parts of ND into SD and vice versa. I would rather have it and not need it than be caught without. Its all about the risk a person is willing to take. why risk it when it takes a minute to print and sign a piece of paper? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:41 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:32 AM shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM Honestly why? It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything. Is it for insurance? Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale. been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine Maybe not in your area, but once you head north your likelihood of being checked will increase. ND, SD, MT can be strict with theirs. And if you are the current owner with no bill of sale trying to get an inspection card, you need to get one from the person you got the horse from. If they didn't get one from the person THEY bought it from, you need to keep going backwards until all parties are on the same page. Its best to just have your affairs in order from the start and save a potential headache down the road.
Why so strict, I would think once you have proof of ownership like horses papers in your name that would be enought proof the horse/horses are yours. Is there alot of horse thief's up that way? | |
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Location: North Dakota | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 9:55 AM
shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:41 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:32 AM shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM Honestly why? It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything. Is it for insurance? Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale. been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine Maybe not in your area, but once you head north your likelihood of being checked will increase. ND, SD, MT can be strict with theirs. And if you are the current owner with no bill of sale trying to get an inspection card, you need to get one from the person you got the horse from. If they didn't get one from the person THEY bought it from, you need to keep going backwards until all parties are on the same page. Its best to just have your affairs in order from the start and save a potential headache down the road.
I can't say with 100% certainty, but when AQHA transfers a horse, they don't verify with the owner and they don't require a witness signature to transfer either. Association papers get passed around a lot. It's easier to forge a transfer than a bill of sale. Not saying it can't be done on a BOS. But when showing your paperwork to the brand inspector, its a double verification showing papers in your name plus the bill of sale with sellers signature and a witness. The reason I feel it should be done, is because just last week I signed a BOS for a horse I sold 2 years ago because they went to get a permanent inspection card and the brand inspector turned them down because they lost the original BOS I sent with the horse. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 10:00 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-20 9:55 AM shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:41 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:32 AM shakeit0410 - 2018-04-20 9:08 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 9:02 AM Honestly why? It is not going to actually protect you or them of anything. Is it for insurance? Many reasons.. insurance is one. Also, when crossing state lines and needing to show a brand permit/inspection, a registration certificate does not prove proof of ownership. You need a bill of sale or else a permanent brand card. In order to get a permanent brand card, you need to show a bill of sale. been all over and as long as you got a health paper and coggins on what your hauling you good from 6-8 colts off the track to futurity horses not one ag agent has ever asked for a bill of sale and FL is super strict to go as far as to check that each coggins matches but never asks for any of that no one cares about showing proof of ownership as long as what your hauling has a coggins, a pyro, and a health paper your fine Maybe not in your area, but once you head north your likelihood of being checked will increase. ND, SD, MT can be strict with theirs. And if you are the current owner with no bill of sale trying to get an inspection card, you need to get one from the person you got the horse from. If they didn't get one from the person THEY bought it from, you need to keep going backwards until all parties are on the same page. Its best to just have your affairs in order from the start and save a potential headache down the road. I can't say with 100% certainty, but when AQHA transfers a horse, they don't verify with the owner and they don't require a witness signature to transfer either. Association papers get passed around a lot. It's easier to forge a transfer than a bill of sale. Not saying it can't be done on a BOS. But when showing your paperwork to the brand inspector, its a double verification showing papers in your name plus the bill of sale with sellers signature and a witness. The reason I feel it should be done, is because just last week I signed a BOS for a horse I sold 2 years ago because they went to get a permanent inspection card and the brand inspector turned them down because they lost the original BOS I sent with the horse.
Well that sure is food for thought, hummm..  But glad here in Texas we dont have to go threw all that..  | |
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| I would write a bill of sale, just to be safe. I traded for a horse and some cash, so I wrote a bill of sale. I think that I just wrote something up like:
On this day _________________, I received $xxxx and the horse named REGISTERED NAME in exchange for the horse named REGISTERED NAME. The sale is final and horse is sold 'AS IS'.
I signed it and had the buyer sign it. Both of us got a copy of it. We did sign the transfer papers, but this covered us for any other 'just in case' legal issues. | |
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