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Location: Oakdale, CA | tracies - 2018-05-02 1:00 PM I would take the martingale off, and put her behind some cows to free her up and get her relaxed. It will make them sore riding around like that ALL THE TIME.
this......I had a gelding last year all of the sudden get bored in the arena. I had to get real creative with him..................took about 4 ish months. he is fine now. when I ride in the arena I have a purpose and short challenging things...... I did take him to the vet and he was fine.........these are my thoughts............yes he went to completely willing to stopping and like hell no.........................thankgoodness I got past it............ | |
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Location: MO | Check the SI ands possibly the psoas muscle. My horse was diagnosed 2 years ago as "Hunter's Bump". Injexted the SI, chiro work and some time off, then back to work. All was going well last year with hock injections about 4 months in, and until this year when he started blowing off every barrel and just was being a pain to ride and run, but he wasn't exhibiting any signs of ACTUAL lameness out in the field and even for a while running/working We knew something was up though, and one night working at home he showed us. He short strided with his back left only and then every once in a while would skip on that foot, drag the toe a little when he'd stop. Just an odd misstep, but it looked like a pain issue, and we thought pelvis because of his history. We wanted a full work up and went to a superb lamenss vet in our area. We started of with basics to hope to avoid getting too invasive. Injected the hocks and decided on the chiro to see if we couldn't get it worked out. The chiro and the vet talked after his two visits. He def got more extension out of him but he was only at about 85% and you could judt tell there was something still there. He would flat run in the field, something we hadn't seen in a long time. We knew he was on the right path, but again out in the field, inconsistently, he would take a wierd grabbing up step. Like if you hurt your sciatic and it stings every once in a while. We talked to the vet that night after getting some video, etc
Chiro work can only get you so far. I just spent about 5 weeks going through this whole ordeal, and both the chiro and vet agreed after the chriio visits, the SI injection was the next step.I knew in my gut we should have just went ahead and did it becasue of the history but sticking two 8" needles down into the largest joint just didn't sound appealing, and I didn't want to just jump to that if the chiro work helped. We went back to light riding for 3 days the day after the injection (injection was last Wednesday), and then he returned to full work Monday. Please say a prayer that all goes well, but every day he has just gotten better, and last night we were able to cruise through a pattern. It was amazing to see the difference. He's a completley different horse.
That's my experience and some of what you are saying just sounds like an SI issue to me. I would take the head gear off too for a bit and see if it helps, chiro, but at the end of the day....do what your vet and gut tells you. | |
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Location: somewhere in the south | Maybe check for kissing spine? My daughter's horse was a great, smooth riding horse that started this type of behavior and we tried alot of tests before the vet discovered the very start of the kissing spine! Injections have helped !!! | |
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| I agree with previous posters about taking the excess head gear off and letting her stretch out and learn to carry herself.
She looks like she has pelvic pain. I would actually have the vet come out and not just video chat you. Doesn't do a whole lot if they can't be hands on. | |
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Location: Illinois | turnedout - 2018-05-03 3:58 PM
I agree with previous posters about taking the excess head gear off and letting her stretch out and learn to carry herself.
She looks like she has pelvic pain. I would actually have the vet come out and not just video chat you. Doesn't do a whole lot if they can't be hands on.
We just did the video chat because of the fact that he is about 250 miles away and we were trying to decide if it was an EPM issue, lameness issue, or potentially a chiropractic issue. He felt she moved fine enough in the video, which someone was holding while I was maneuvering, to make the plan to have her adjusted before I made the trip. If he felt it was something that needed immediate addressing vet wise he would have scheduled me to come as soon as possible. He watched me do all the maneuvers he explained over the phone, crossing over, backing straight lines, tail tug, etc and she did fine. Watched me stretch her out and I told him what my chiro thought and he agreed upon what he saw that we should try that first. They both feel that since she lunges fine its most likely a pelvic rotation or SI issue. I will get back on her and continue to ride her without the martingale on. As I stated before I ride her more without it than I do with it and the issue remains the same both ways. I agree with her needing to get her nose out and freed up, that's why I took it off. It was used in this video because my other bridles were locked in my other trailer and I didn't have the keys on me, this was hanging in the tack room so I set the martingale & reins so it was as loose as it would go & just rode with what I had. It was the only snaffle available, I wasn't planning on riding but someone was out to video so I took advantage of it. She's always been ridden bridled up and holds her head that way the minute she feels any rein contact so it's just an old habit that will have to get broken with time. I have a tentative appointment with my vet if the adjustment doesn't solve the issue. For now they both told me to try to keep riding her, just not hard and stretch her & see if there's any difference over a period of a few days until the adjustment. I plan on trying to just leave her alone & ride around as best I can getting her to stretch out | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Get her out of the arena witout the martingale let her relax, do something else with her take her trail riding, shes bored and with the way your having to kick and kick and kick her to get her to move over she looks dead sided to me as well as being bored.. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Collection doesn’t come from tieing a horses head down, especially a 4 year old. My mare is 8 and we’re still working on keeping her collected. We start collection at a walk and then a trot, you’d be surprised how long it can take even at a walk. Best thing I ever did was take lessons with a dressage trainer for years, and I’m still learning. Not knocking your horse at all but I hate to see young horses with their heads tied down, many people think that’s collection and it’s not.
I had a mare with si pain, after chiro and acupuncture we decided to inject her. Didn’t see a difference right away but eventually she felt much much better, I also give her turmeric daily for inflammation. Good luck.
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Location: Lost in the swamps | We had a horse exhibiting these issues after a slip in the pasture. Esp picking the hind feet up. Got to the point to where you could not clean them and he would physically shake like he was in pain. Had the owner get the Vet and Chiro out and his si was inflamed. Just had his si injected yesterday.
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Location: in the ozone | Horse is uncomfortable & unhappy. Also agree get rid of the martingale and out of the arena. Pain will cause them to refuse to go forward. I know you've considered EPM, also check into Lymes & PSSM | |
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Location: Illinois | I have kept a PHT sheet on her for a good amount of time over the weekend and stretched her Friday night and she had pretty much full range of motion with that back right leg again. Wednesday it had popped when I stretched it towards her front foot. So I rode her over the weekend after being off since Wednesday and she rode perfect. Was loose & moved out just fine. So I'm guessing it in fact was an adjustment issue. She's still getting adjusted this weekend to be sure, but so far she's riding back to normal just from that. The martingale was off, but like I said before I typically don't ride her in one because I've been trying to get her to get her nose out & quit having her face tucked all the time. It just was all I had to ride her in that night & was as loose as it would go, it's not something I ride her in all the time. If she goes back to acting like this I'll reevaluate at that time. | |
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| Shushi - 2018-05-03 9:29 AM
Check the SI ands possibly the psoas muscle. My horse was diagnosed 2 years ago as "Hunter's Bump". Injexted the SI, chiro work and some time off, then back to work. All was going well last year with hock injections about 4 months in, and until this year when he started blowing off every barrel and just was being a pain to ride and run, but he wasn't exhibiting any signs of ACTUAL lameness out in the field and even for a while running/working We knew something was up though, and one night working at home he showed us. He short strided with his back left only and then every once in a while would skip on that foot, drag the toe a little when he'd stop. Just an odd misstep, but it looked like a pain issue, and we thought pelvis because of his history. We wanted a full work up and went to a superb lamenss vet in our area. We started of with basics to hope to avoid getting too invasive. Injected the hocks and decided on the chiro to see if we couldn't get it worked out. The chiro and the vet talked after his two visits. He def got more extension out of him but he was only at about 85% and you could judt tell there was something still there. He would flat run in the field, something we hadn't seen in a long time. We knew he was on the right path, but again out in the field, inconsistently, he would take a wierd grabbing up step. Like if you hurt your sciatic and it stings every once in a while. We talked to the vet that night after getting some video, etc
Chiro work can only get you so far. I just spent about 5 weeks going through this whole ordeal, and both the chiro and vet agreed after the chriio visits, the SI injection was the next step.I knew in my gut we should have just went ahead and did it becasue of the history but sticking two 8" needles down into the largest joint just didn't sound appealing, and I didn't want to just jump to that if the chiro work helped. We went back to light riding for 3 days the day after the injection (injection was last Wednesday), and then he returned to full work Monday. Please say a prayer that all goes well, but every day he has just gotten better, and last night we were able to cruise through a pattern. It was amazing to see the difference. He's a completley different horse.
That's my experience and some of what you are saying just sounds like an SI issue to me. I would take the head gear off too for a bit and see if it helps, chiro, but at the end of the day....do what your vet and gut tells you.
my mare has been off for almost 2 years due to a fractured pelvis.. Once it healed last spring after 6 months stall rest, it was discovered she had a very sore psoas muscle and a bone spur in her SI. 9 months of a long rehab I'm hoping to finally run her in a couple weeks. The si injection is the only thing that has really helped in my situation. That and lunging over ground poles while she worked long and low in a lunging system for the first 2 months of the rehab. Then we switched between lunging and gradual riding. She needed major restrengthening and was over all very weak after the stall rest. She had her si done last September then 6 months later this past March. Chiro has helped but also Magna wave treatments because there unfortunately is nothing that will penetrate deep enough to the psoas muscle. I'm sure you know that frustration. I hope you have good luck luck with your horse! Fingers crossed for us both! | |
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